I agree.  In my opinion, the 360 got it right and the ONE got it wrong.  At least I'm consistent!  I think M$ is banking on 100% of users having Kinect 2.0 so that developers will support it in a way that Sony's camera won't have.  It's a gamble but we'll see what happens. 

I think that Max is surely on something, NOT onto something. This whole argument is beyond unbelievable. It's the most obvious thing in the world that the PS3(at launch) did not need a bluray drive. It needed a drive system and the DVD drive was more than sufficient(and MUCH cheaper). Sony made a business decision to put the bluray drive into the PS3 to ensure they had a participation in the royalties of the next gen media format. Sony did not invent the bluray drive nor does it own it. They are part of a group of electronics manufacturers that own it together. They chose to include the bluray to promote their system as some type of superior media player(which it was). It added no value to gaming other than the few titles that may have been multi disc. The only way that you can think that Sony didn't do this for themselves is if you are completely clueless about the actual history of the bluray drive or that you don't understand Sony's electronics background. Just like what M$ is trying to do now with the Kinect, Sony was making a play for a long term monetary gain. The difference here is that most of the people here want the system prices lower and can't stand having to pay for something they don't want to have. Most people felt the same way when the PS3 came out, but it turned out to be a great thing once the true HD tv's and movies were commonplace. If Sony hadn't gone with bluray(stayed with dvd), we would still have HD movies and TV's, as the alternative format or even bluray would still have been adopted and that would now be the format located in the XB1/PS4.

Literally almost unbelievable that people do not understand what happened just 7-8 years ago.

thats 1 game so your point is? (+read again please. Like every person that owns a 360 either has a flash drive or some external HDD at home)

BTW if you bought a vita you cant play anything..(without memory that is  not because it has a small library).. can we agree now that I win? thanks

MS should just add a  switch to the camera and thats it.  I mean I can block the lens from seeing me or something else with a simple sticker etc  but blocking a "spying" microphone is a little bit harder.

You also aren't even arguing the points. The unbelievable ones here are you guys acting like this is even remotley the same thing. You guys are just babbling on trivial insignificant facts like who owns the blu-ray drive... Like seriously, what the fuck does that matter to our discussion? If blu-ray is the equivelant of the Kinect camera then so is 8GB of RAM and fuck, the ps2 should have used a CD-Drive right? Give up. Admit defeat. Save face

there are a few games that cant be played off the 4gb model 360, you cant just use an external hdd to install games so no

plus what are you on about "underlined" i never said anything regarding that you have your wires crossed

it was just my random thought on the topic   nothing to do with you    the site messed up  there was actually a huge space between the vita talk and the  xb1 stuff.  And it seems I forgot some kind of   "back to topic" hint. Sry if I confused you.

The same thing did happen with the PS2, but in that instance the upgrade to DVD was an evolutionary need.  The PSone alrady had games thaat used 3-4 discs.  The #1 selling feture for the PS2 after launch period was that it was a DVD player.  A year or 2 later it no longer mattered as DVDplayers were much cheaper.  I also agree that neither system needs 8gb of ram.  So M$ and Sony are screwing us on that.  But that is something that both companies are doing on the next gen.  We are talking about the Kinect/Bluray comparison.  You are the one that keeps bringing up other things to deflect that you are either just continuing on about this because you don't understand or just trying to get everyone's goat.  Either way, the whole thing about "Admit defeat" is rather funny.  I think you are the one who has proven that your replies have been clearly defeated.

The tire analogy is stupid, a more accurate one would be buying a car without rear seats, you can use it just fine for most things but if you decide you want to make the most out of it you'll buy the extra seats so more people can ride in it.

Also moaning about PS+ requirement for multiplayer being anti consumer as if online play on xbl is free is just moronic too.

That was an overly harsh sentence... I also think Kinect would've better left optional, but I also hate how every single decision MS makes is used as an attempt to capitalize on. If they think having a camera is a integral part of the experience, that's their decision, good or bad (bad, IMHO).
For God's sake, sit down in your couch and enjoy your system of choice.

read the OP. Sony says no such thing and they dont capitalize on anything about MS. They are strickly talking about the ps4 and the reason they didnt include their camera. Terrible journalism strikes again