tbone51 said: Captain_Tom said: The gamecube did not make them a ton of money.  It made them money, but no where near the amount of money the PS2 or Wii made.  Like I said it survived, but that is not a good thing compared to what they hoped it would do. it obviously didn't make them the billions like Wii/DS/PS2 did, but it made them profit every year. SSBM helped in the beginning then others mid-end life on GCN. Yes its not good cuz everybody wants their console/handheld to be a DS/PS2. but unlike M$ that hasn't profited at all with Original Xbox or X360 first 4-5 years, i think GCN did pretty alright. Before you reply i know hardware sales sucked. But that doesn't mean overall . Vita has a good attach ratio in japan right? Its making sony a little money!!! Any console looks succesful when compared to the Xbox, the bellweather of failures.  Sure the Vita is making money (And I like mine), but it isn't doing very well.  I will admit that because I am not delusional.  So if the Wii U is doing worse... WiiU doing better than vita though in same time peroid without games. Vita had COD/AC/ many more. But Imo vita will turn things around starting Dec, i also believe wiiu will do the same but both will obviously be last in market share but a large margin.

Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;)

Captain_Tom said: tbone51 said: Captain_Tom said: The gamecube did not make them a ton of money.  It made them money, but no where near the amount of money the PS2 or Wii made.  Like I said it survived, but that is not a good thing compared to what they hoped it would do. it obviously didn't make them the billions like Wii/DS/PS2 did, but it made them profit every year. SSBM helped in the beginning then others mid-end life on GCN. Yes its not good cuz everybody wants their console/handheld to be a DS/PS2. but unlike M$ that hasn't profited at all with Original Xbox or X360 first 4-5 years, i think GCN did pretty alright. Before you reply i know hardware sales sucked. But that doesn't mean overall . Vita has a good attach ratio in japan right? Its making sony a little money!!! Any console looks succesful when compared to the Xbox, the bellweather of failures.  Sure the Vita is making money (And I like mine), but it isn't doing very well.  I will admit that because I am not delusional.  So if the Wii U is doing worse... WiiU doing better than vita though in same time peroid without games. Vita had COD/AC/ many more. But Imo vita will turn things around starting Dec, i also believe wiiu will do the same but both will obviously be last in market share but a large margin. Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;)

im a huge fanboy, but wats obvious is obvious. Can it do 30-40mil? if nintendo works out a plan! Its never too late. PS3 is a great example of that, even 3ds to a certain extent. Vita could do as high as 40mil as well if its fully supported. But we have to wait and see. if there were no changes in both wiiu and vita it both do 12mil-15mil lifetime, no lie

Captain_Tom said: Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;)

would you have believed me 6 years ago that the PS3 would make a comeback and sell 80m? XD

think about it for a little.

Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;) im a huge fanboy, but wats obvious is obvious. Can it do 30-40mil? if nintendo works out a plan! Its never too late. PS3 is a great example of that, even 3ds to a certain extent. Vita could do as high as 40mil as well if its fully supported. But we have to wait and see. if there were no changes in both wiiu and vita it both do 12mil-15mil lifetime, no lie

What a breath of fresh air.  I am a playstation fanboy, but I am not insane!  I don't ignore good things the competition does, or act like this:  "Trust me the Vita will easily sell as well as the PSP with more games and a pricedrop."  It just isn't that simple people...

mii-gamer said: KingdomHeartsFan said: mii-gamer said: Nintendo needs to expand. Invest in 2-3 quality studios will help them with the workload and best of all avoid these long droughts. They just need to find fill the spot that rare left. I was really surprised they didn't buy Atlus, maybe they will make Platinum a second party developer. @I hope they do Shit they should buy Sega - 2 for 1 deal- get atlus as well as sonic. The butthurt will be hilarious to witness

I'd love for Nintendo to acquire Sega (and Atlus by proxy) and Platinum, but it really needs more Western studios to diversify its content.

this scenario will not not exist. Wii u already has third party support ...

Captain_Tom said: Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;) im a huge fanboy, but wats obvious is obvious. Can it do 30-40mil? if nintendo works out a plan! Its never too late. PS3 is a great example of that, even 3ds to a certain extent. Vita could do as high as 40mil as well if its fully supported. But we have to wait and see. if there were no changes in both wiiu and vita it both do 12mil-15mil lifetime, no lie What a breath of fresh air.  I am a playstation fanboy, but I am not insane!  I don't ignore good things the competition does, or act like this:  "Trust me the Vita will easily sell as well as the PSP with more games and a pricedrop."  It just isn't that simple people...

psp was a great device back then cuz of wat it could do outside gaming. I literally had 7 friends that had psp, snd only, 2 gamed on them and others used it as an ipod lol! It was great back in its time. Vita might be the best in terms of powerful hardware but with tablets/iphones etc, its hard for it (vita) to do as well as psp. 3DS only is doing well cuz of its IP's. If nintendo was heavily third party like M$, 3ds wouldn't have sold half of wat it did today! If Vita has 25-30mil sales lifetime (not including PSV TV) then its a huge success in todays market. I didn't include vita tv cuz its not portable and thats what the so called DYING MARKET is at! (lol to those that thought handhelds wouldn't sell over 10mil cuz of ipads/etc

Halfways. If they expanded they could.

cheesecake said: Captain_Tom said: Ok so you aren't completely insane like those people that think the Wii U can make a come back and sell 80 mil... ;) would you have believed me 6 years ago that the PS3 would make a comeback and sell 80m? XD think about it for a little.

The main issue with the PS3 was fairly easy to fix as time went on though -- it just needed a price cut, and then it basically was the direct successor to the PS2. 

The Wii U will never be the successor to the original Wii phenomenon in the same way because it doesn't have a controller that generates the same level of excitement. 

That's a fairly big difference. Wii U is basically the GameCube all over again. 

Basically yes. Nintendo has always pushed towards exclusive titles, even from their partnerships rather than ports or cross-platform.

Its for good reason. It gives a distinct value to their system, wich you cant find on the other ones.