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Imaginedvl said:
Well, if you believe that "elaborating" on the "I agree" or "I disagree" is to come with bets about which console is going to sell more or pretend that pre-orders are "proving" (you know, like fact) that Phil. Spencer is right or wrong; I would say that it is effectively not really the best way to do so...

Talking about oppinion or preferences on the other hand is a total different story. But it is up to you, you have the right to post whatever you want lol :) I'm pretty sure you have a perfectly objective view on that...

And what facts do you have to support your agreement with Phil?

Many people here, including me, elaborated on their reasons why they think what Phil says doesn't ring true, either to them, or in general.
When it comes to you, all I see is you taking his statement as gospel. And you do so by acting childish (especially for a 30 years old person) and by admitting that you act a certain way just to stir shit.

Why don't you elaborate a little on why you think he's right?



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Madword said:
DJEVOLVE said:

Thats the point! to give it back.

Also reviews are what back MS up. However that wouldn't matter would it?

You think i'm that slow? I'm not, I give what is being givin. Funny is you are mad at me but not the others. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO

 

You should be the bigger man and not go down that route. I never said you were slow... I just said you should stop with the attacks because it makes you as bad as them, . it's just getting very boring. There are many fans of products, generalisation attacks on everyone who like a particular product are stupid.

Reviews of what... and please don't say Titanfall. These are pre-views not reviews... as no game is out yet, nothing has been properly reviewed. Also you do know that reviews are subjective right? Mario Kart gets 10/10 on Eurogamer say... does that mean I have to like it, that I have to think its better than say Mafia 2 because that got 4/10 on the same site. Does that mean the Wii is a better console than the others because it has some games with a higher review score. Of course not... I loved Mafia 2, I don't particularly like Mario Kart... reviews said otherwise, that doesn't make  me wrong. That's the whole point of personal opinion. I don't see why that is such a difficult concept to get. 

I am just bored of people ramming their opinion as fact.. and slating people because they disagree.

Anyway I am tired, I'm going to bed.

YOu should tell it to people who are on the front page and not me.



I like what I see on the Xbox One, only 3 things are holding me back from getting an Xbox One at launch and that's inFamous, Killzone and 100 hundred US dollars.



Imaginedvl said:

The point was just to arg about what Phil. Spencer thinkhs (you can disagree with it after all)  but the point of this thread was after all to agree with him or not (I agree with it) ut them coming and starting either a "PS4 will crush the Xbox One blah blah blah" or even come out with random facts about pre-orders "PROVING" Phil. Spencer to be wrong...

Oh and I actually think the PS4 is going to sell more before the end of the year by the way... Not sure why you tranformed this into a "my thing is better and will sell more than yours" or even want to bet about that like anyone stated it would not be the case...

You started complaining to a guy who posted pre-order figures (as an indication of games library preference)... You said that this guys statement was not true, You called him up on that and asked for evidence to this "magical statement", which is just as funny as Phil Spencer who works for MS saying they are winning the games message.

All i said was that you shouldnt call him out, when the statement from Phil is just as dubious. This is where you decide to say that your opinion was fact that there is no doubt that MS has the better games library. I disagree with that, and it's not up for debate, anything you have suggested cannot be proven as being fact.

When I got into a conversation with DJEvolve and decide to close it out because I was going around in circles, you decide to have a dig. So please the only person who has no credibility is you.

Now we may not know the pre-order numbers, but evidence suggests that Sony have more. Now at a basic level surely you can agree if a console is selling more in pre-orders then one of those reasons is because people are preferring that consoles games, and therefore the whole concept of "Product A has better games than Product B is pretty difficult to prove". Or are you suggesting that for a games consoles that the games don't matter when it comes to actual sales of the said console?

If you are agreeing that the PS4 is going to sell more by the end of the year, thanks for agreeing with my general point that *OPINION* does not equal *FACT* when talking about game librarys being better than the other.

Now I am really off to bed.



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

Imaginedvl said:
-CraZed- said:
Unfortunately for his statement the preorder numbers don't bear that out...

Oh, so you have some magical source out there giving you exact pre-order numbers for both machines? You should share this information then, if not; your post is just plain random to me...


You do realize what site this is right?



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Someone needs to tell them Titan Fall isn't a launch title. Killzone Shadowfall is a launch title.



TheSting said:
Madword said:
DJEVOLVE said:

Thats the point! to give it back.

Also reviews are what back MS up. However that wouldn't matter would it?

You think i'm that slow? I'm not, I give what is being givin. Funny is you are mad at me but not the others. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO

 

You should be the bigger man and not go down that route. I never said you were slow... I just said you should stop with the attacks because it makes you as bad as them, . it's just getting very boring. There are many fans of products, generalisation attacks on everyone who like a particular product are stupid.

Reviews of what... and please don't say Titanfall. These are pre-views not reviews... as no game is out yet, nothing has been properly reviewed. Also you do know that reviews are subjective right? Mario Kart gets 10/10 on Eurogamer say... does that mean I have to like it, that I have to think its better than say Mafia 2 because that got 4/10 on the same site. Does that mean the Wii is a better console than the others because it has some games with a higher review score. Of course not... I loved Mafia 2, I don't particularly like Mario Kart... reviews said otherwise, that doesn't make  me wrong. That's the whole point of personal opinion. I don't see why that is such a difficult concept to get. 

I am just bored of people ramming their opinion as fact.. and slating people because they disagree.

Anyway I am tired, I'm going to bed.

Mafia 2 gotta 4?

Yeah it was an absolute terrible review... they kept comparing it to GTAIV at the time, two totally different games. That's why I rarely use reviews as an indication if I would like a game or not.

Dead Island got a 3/10 on one site, and that game was just amazing. 

As I say reviews are all subjective...and ultimately a persons opinion...



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

Hynad said:
Imaginedvl said:
Well, if you believe that "elaborating" on the "I agree" or "I disagree" is to come with bets about which console is going to sell more or pretend that pre-orders are "proving" (you know, like fact) that Phil. Spencer is right or wrong; I would say that it is effectively not really the best way to do so...

Talking about oppinion or preferences on the other hand is a total different story. But it is up to you, you have the right to post whatever you want lol :) I'm pretty sure you have a perfectly objective view on that...

And what facts do you have to support your agreement with Phil?

Many people here, including me, elaborated on their reasons why they think what Phil says doesn't ring true, either to them, or in general.
When it comes to you, all I see is you taking his statement as gospel. And you do so by acting childish (especially for a 30 years old person) and by admitting that you act a certain way just to stir shit.

Why don't you elaborate a little on why you think he's right?

Why on earth would I care to discuss/argue with someone like you who:

1) Insult people...
2) Makes things out of his ass: I never admited I want to just stir shit you just made that up
3) Basically arguing in any threads he posted in that Sony is like an half god and anything being done by Microsoft is pure shit...

I agree with what P. Spencer says. Just read what he says if you want to know "why"...



-CraZed- said:
Imaginedvl said:
-CraZed- said:
Unfortunately for his statement the preorder numbers don't bear that out...

Oh, so you have some magical source out there giving you exact pre-order numbers for both machines? You should share this information then, if not; your post is just plain random to me...


You do realize what site this is right?

My appologies then, I did not find the link to the current pre-order data on the site; care to post it please?



Imaginedvl said:
Hynad said:
Imaginedvl said:
Well, if you believe that "elaborating" on the "I agree" or "I disagree" is to come with bets about which console is going to sell more or pretend that pre-orders are "proving" (you know, like fact) that Phil. Spencer is right or wrong; I would say that it is effectively not really the best way to do so...

Talking about oppinion or preferences on the other hand is a total different story. But it is up to you, you have the right to post whatever you want lol :) I'm pretty sure you have a perfectly objective view on that...

And what facts do you have to support your agreement with Phil?

Many people here, including me, elaborated on their reasons why they think what Phil says doesn't ring true, either to them, or in general.
When it comes to you, all I see is you taking his statement as gospel. And you do so by acting childish (especially for a 30 years old person) and by admitting that you act a certain way just to stir shit.

Why don't you elaborate a little on why you think he's right?

Why on earth would I care to discuss/argue with someone like you who:

1) Insult people...
2) Makes things out of his ass: I never admited I want to just stir shit you just made that up
3) Basically arguing in any threads he posted in that Sony is like an half god and anything being done by Microsoft is pure shit...

1) My bad, I thought I was replying to DJEvolve. Sorry about that. xD
2) See 1
3) Really? I do that? How? When? Where? Seems like I'm not the only one confusing someone for someone else.