I know it's balanced and objective, thank you. It was pathetic, cause MS is desperately playing catch up in the indie department and is doing right now what Sony has been doing for quite some time, yet they come up with a phrase like "we should be more like Sony... NOT! Hahahaha!". That is pathetic no matter how you look at it, cause being more like Sony is exactly what they are doing and in fact what they should be doing. The art of making jokes is a tricky one, cause the joke can instead be on you...

No some jokes are just funnier than others.  Also MS's joke made no sense because 1. They keep changing their system to be more like Sony's since E3 and 2. Sony has had great indie support so they should be being more like Sony and 3. It was too direct and not clever at all.  This took some intelligence and was kind of an inside joke just like their Gamescom jab.

I think both jabs in either way were quite amusing :).

MS are at the forefront when it comes to indie development, they had a plan for a long time that they presented when they felt the time was right. They have high demands for Indie games and that is why the indie scene has been most succesful on the XBox platform (X360, PC and soon X1). These kind of jabs are a way to also show appreciation for the competitor, which is what this guy was showing :).

oh, now i get it!

You are actually wrong. MS used to be better, but at the moment Sony is easily at the forefront when it comes to indies and MS is playing catch-up with its ridiculous, developer-unfriendly policies. MS had a plan xD Love it, this sentence is already an industry classic. They had a plan for everything :P But then had to can them all, cause Sony was 10x better and was leaving XO in the dust. MS made a bad bet putting emphasis on TV, while Sony bet on indies. As it turned out, gamers don't care about TV and do care about games (who would have guessed!?) and that MS jab is a desperate attempt to convince gamers that MS is better when it comes to indies than Sony. There is no appreciation, MS feels they are losing their footing and are fighting to get the gamers back. The difference is, Sony jokes and jabs are actually true, while MS jab is pure BS.

Phil and Adam are cool cats. Mike took it a bit too far...

Oh this is glorious.

Its all for fun, this is what gamers do, they freaking troll.
Lets see how MS responds.

So you honestly think they decided on a whim to make every X1 a future dev kit and create id@xbox program? Regarding other things they have done a 180 (DRM and Kinect requirement) but this is something that they have had big plans for all along.

Sony and MS are taking two different approaches to indie delevopment, the difference is that MS has a much larger platform for indies to develop on (including PC) which makes them quite attractive. Being extreme and saying Sony is 10X better isn´t really helping your argument either :).

Regarding the focus on TV implementation and such, it doesn´t really have anything to do with this issue, especially since Sony is investing heavily in that area aswell. MS and Sony are both after your hard earned cash, we will see who is most succesful in doing so, only time will tell.

At this point I don't think that even they know what they wanted to do and what they actually are doing with the XO. The fact is, they fell behind in indie department no matter how attractive they may seem, so joking that you shouldn't be like your competition that you are trailing is just lame.

About the TV - obviously Sony also wants it, but if you saw the PS4 and XO conferences, you could see a different approach. MS was betting on TV, while Sony made the bet on indies. Ms showed us a TV show, while Sony showed us a couple of indie games. They've spent similar time talking about the respective two during their conferences. Which company made the proper bet? Considering MS again made a 180 here as well and started talking about indies not mentioning TV anymore, we know the answer.

All in all I have to give it to Sony, they are handling the launch perfectly. This is the most professional approach ever, especially when compared to what MS is doing. They haven't made a single mistake so far, even when they had weaker games at a given time (at E3), they've managed to destroy their competition. The negative effect of this (for Sony, good for us) is that they are forcing MS to make XO their own policies better, which is happening, but I guess they couldn't forsee just how much they'd destroy XO at E3. Wonder how this will all play out in a year or two :) Who's gonna have the upper hand when they finally start selling the bloody things and the emotions cool down a bit, cause we'll already see what the consoles really offer and which one is better.