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small44 on 31 August 2013
spemanig said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
spemanig said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
spemanig said:
Sony said the same thing with the PS3. No profit until 2011. I do think that the XBO is worth $100 more than the PS4; I just don't think that the mass market will care.

I mean they will eventually, and I think the XBO will eventually overtake the PS4, but saying that the XBO will have a rough start is beyond an understatement.


Microsoft will profit off of the Xbox One much faster than Sony profited off of the PS3. By rights the PS3 should've been  two to three hundred dollars more during launch, per console. Thats how deep Sony bled to save Blu Ray and make the format profitable.


I agree. I think that the XBO and Microsoft are in a much better position than the PS3 was, but I still think they will have rocky treck early on. Like I said though, I have full confidence that the XBO will eventually overtake the PS4 in sales. There's no doubt in my mind. Xbox has a far more dedicated fanbase and once the price drops sometime next year or in 2015, it will look like a more equal platform with more desirable exclusives and features to the mass market. Sony doesn't have that mass market appeal anymore. It hasn't since the PSP. If the XBO was $400, you'd see a completely different VGC right now, and that will come to light in the coming years. PS4 is only "winning" because the XBO is losing.


I have no doubt that Microsoft will profit, but giving Sony the lead in the beginning (which is basically because of launching head to head or behind them) gives the word of mouth and product awareness to Sony. Microsoft will not maintain the same numbers in America. They can only do it with a years head start. Thats how they laid their foundation even though America is where the majority of their fanbase are. Sony has beaten them in America. The majority of Microsoft's fanbase that split off came from Sonys former marketshare and with multiplats, new exclusives IP's and a better price they can easily take that away.


I think you underestimate brand loyalty. The 360 needed to release a year early. The original Xbox only had 20 million sales and no prior cosoles to build off of. The Xbox One has an extremely dedicated 80 million. Hasn't beaten them in America. That majority shows just how feeble the Sony brand loyalty is. No one in the mass market cares about most Sony exclusives. Most people have never heard of Uncharted, Sony's second most successful franchise, which isn't saying much. No one in the mass market knows what Infamous is. They don't know what Killzone is. They don't know what LBP is. But they know Halo, and Gears of War, and Kinect Adventures. Their fans are attached to the most successful multiplatform franchise of the generation, Call of Duty. Now they have Titanfall. If you think that doesn't matter, I can't help you. And they can't easily take anything away. Sony had GTA as a Sony exclusive before the PS3. That will never happen again. That's why half their install base defected to the 360. Now FFXV and KH3 aren't exclusive. The Xbox fanbase isn't going anywhere.

Uncharted 3 beat Gear of war 3 in sale how they know Gear of war and dosn't know Uncharted Microsoft had Gear of war,Halo and Kinect advanture,Sony had Gran turismo,Uncharted and now the last of us.

You said nobody know about infamous and killzone i could said the same on xbox360 nobody know lips nobody know Alan Wake etc.

FFXV and KH3 on ps4  will destroy  FFXV and KH3  on Xbox one  in sale especially in Japan.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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zorg1000 on 31 August 2013
landguy1 said:
zorg1000 said:
 

Gran Turismo sells just as well as Halo

Uncharted sells just as well as Gears of War

God of War sells just as well as Fable

Sports Champions sells just as well as Kinect Sports

Resistance sells just as well as Left 4 Dead

LittleBig Planet sells just as well as Forza

Killzone sells just as well as Crackdown

InFamous sells just as well as Alan Wake

Motorstorm sells just as well as Viva Pinata

Ratchet & Clank sells just as well as Banjo-Kazooie

Heavy Rain sells just as well as Kinect Disneyland Adventures

EyePet sells just as well as Kinectimals

Singstar sells just as well as Kinect Joy Ride

Heavenly Sword sells just as well as Kinect Star Wars

The only exclusive that Playstation hasnt matched is Kinect Andventures.


Odd group of comparisons...  Did you actually take time to look them up or did you just pull them out of the air?

I think that you just made up the list, as I looked up just 2 of your comparisons and they were completely off the mark.  Eyepet sold 40% less than Kinectimals.  Also, Sports champions sold 2 MILLION less than Kinect Sports.

Your point is invalid if you just make crap up!


Eyepet and Kinectimals both sold over one million and less than 1.5 million, thats close enough to be comparable.

Ur right about Kinect Sports tho, I was looking at Season 2 numbers

All the other ones are valid, im not saying they sold exactly as well but similarly. Also many of those PS3 games more than the 360 games I listed.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 31 August 2013
Carl2291 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

But the statement wasn't made in that context/those terms: "I think we do more. I think our games are better. I think as people start to experience Kinect and see what it can do using voice, I think that’s better etc.", not "there are more devices in the box, that add to a greater cost.", so it's subjective. I would say even what you said is still subjective, because although the tech is costlier as whole in the X1 box, if someone doesn't care for kinect they see little value in it, leaving the comparison between the consoles and controllers. So you're technically right, but it doesn't matter because that's not how people think.


It doesnt matter if you or I see value in Kinect, the fact remains that it's still in the box and it adds to the value of the package.

There is nothing wrong at all with him saying he thinks they have more value. There is nothing wrong with an Xbox guy saying he thinks the Xbox One is better value for money, or worth the $100 extra.

I dont see the problem.


So what happens when Sony has basically the same device, but doesn't force it upon you?



Carl on 31 August 2013
Andrespetmonkey said:

Yes it does, because consumers don't think 100% objectively, they see different value in different things and don't for the most part don't buy a console over another because the tech inside one box amounts to a higher price.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with him saying that, I said he was neither right nor wrong as it was a subjective statement, and the guy wasn't speaking in the same terms as you.

Me and you are consumers. Its irrelevant what the consumer thinks, because it isnt subjective.

The Xbox One package is indeed worth $100 more than the PS4 package, because of the tech you get in the box. If they removed Kinect and priced the Xbox One at $399, then this would be debatable... Because you simply get more out of the box, it isnt debatable. Kinect, whether we like it or not, is worth the extra $100 pricetag.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

So what happens when Sony has basically the same device, but doesn't force it upon you?

Irrelevant, because I dont yet see an official bundle from Sony with PS Camera in the box.

If/when Sony release an official Camera/Move bundle, then cool. Until then though the PS Camera isnt relevant to the conversation.



                            

S.T.A.G.E. on 31 August 2013
Carl2291 said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

So what happens when Sony has basically the same device, but doesn't force it upon you?

Irrelevant, because I dont yet see an official bundle from Sony with PS Camera in the box.

If/when Sony release an official Camera/Move bundle, then cool. Until then though the PS Camera isnt relevant to the conversation.


Dude....common sense should tell you later on when the price of the tech drops they will bundle it. The PSEye/Move was bundled with the PS3 before. Microsoft tried to create artificial demand for the Kinect 2 by saying the Xbox needed it, but it doesn't. They just want immediate profit on the tech, which is smart. Sony knows the Eyetoy will profit on time but they are not forcing it upon people. If the Eyetoy wasn't profitable they wouldn't have a third generation of it.



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Carl on 31 August 2013

PS3 bundles are irrelevant. They are yet to offer an.official PS4 bundle with the camera.

Its really not that difficult to accept.



                            

hinch on 31 August 2013

Too bad the average consumer of those consoles won't see it that way. Both will share a lot of the same major third party titles. And one console is significantly cheaper than the other.

@Carl2291

They do. There's an official bundle available on Amazon.fr for €499 (£427) which includes the PS4, Killzone Shadowfall, PS camera and an extra controller.



S.T.A.G.E. on 31 August 2013
Carl2291 said:
PS3 bundles are irrelevant. They are yet to offer an.official PS4 bundle with the camera.

Its really not that difficult to accept.


The lie is over. They never needed the Kinect to be in the Xbox One for it to function. The Wii or Wii U is a complete experience combo, which is different. Microsoft nor Sony have truthfully ever had a complete experience with their peripherals. That is something you need to accept. It has the same vailidity as the PSEye because both do camera motion tracking complete with voice command for a cheaper price (most likely so they can bundle the move with it for $100).  

P.S.

I will admit though, that Sony is trying to add the Kinect to the home multimedia experience. Its not solid just yet, but we'll see.



psrock on 31 August 2013

The problem is though, MS hasn't sold people on Kinect at all. I know its powerful, but I don't know why I would need it at all.



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n3xus on 31 August 2013

and again with the Kinect, because I want to look like this playin a game: