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Andrespetmonkey said:

Yes it does, because consumers don't think 100% objectively, they see different value in different things and don't for the most part don't buy a console over another because the tech inside one box amounts to a higher price.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with him saying that, I said he was neither right nor wrong as it was a subjective statement, and the guy wasn't speaking in the same terms as you.

Me and you are consumers. Its irrelevant what the consumer thinks, because it isnt subjective.

The Xbox One package is indeed worth $100 more than the PS4 package, because of the tech you get in the box. If they removed Kinect and priced the Xbox One at $399, then this would be debatable... Because you simply get more out of the box, it isnt debatable. Kinect, whether we like it or not, is worth the extra $100 pricetag.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

So what happens when Sony has basically the same device, but doesn't force it upon you?

Irrelevant, because I dont yet see an official bundle from Sony with PS Camera in the box.

If/when Sony release an official Camera/Move bundle, then cool. Until then though the PS Camera isnt relevant to the conversation.