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Areym said:
ironmanDX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.


That is just garbage. Kinect is around 25 million in sales, MS have the knowledge, experience and resources to back that up and sell Kinect 2 just as well.

God knows how it got to 25 million. The amount of noticeable games on it was abysmal, same goes for the PS Move. I'm sure MS were doing the Scrooge McDuck money pool dive while the people who bought a Kinect wondered what the fuck they could do with it after a week....tops.

 kinect is my most used feature of my xbox 360. I am getting the xbox one solely because no other companie in the world right now offers what it does with voice controls. Its going to make my entertainment watching even more enjoyable than kinect 1 did. I cant wait. when the kinect 2 gets released for pc, I will get it for that too. The closest thing to kinect right now are tvs with voice(which only work for your tv, not all the entertainment apps that xbox has, nor my cable box, and cost a lot more). I would hope some company could compete with MS in this area so the xbox one would be cheaper, but no has stepped up to the plate yet.



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J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Your bias is as blinding as the sun. Did you even watch the videos? The R&D video series shows you the 3D and environmental control of the Move/PSEye Combo. The video shows you the pinpoint accuracy of the camera coupled with the move. They don't need to waste their money making the most powerful camera on earth because they made the sensor tracking in it perfect at 1:1 with a controller that allows you to move within the world. Lets see people play Halo 4 with the Kinect. Its not even on par with the Move/PSEye combo in terms of actual capabilities. 

The Move was in R&D years before the Wii U launched. They immediately started working on it the second the the first Eyetoy launched in 2004, you will see it if you research the move. 

As for the Vita, as much as I love the tech...it draw backs are marketing, the price of its memory stick (which was dropped at Gamescom) and hot IP's and proper third party support due to a low installed base. Sony needs to create a cast of characters, get children acquainted with them in pop culture (like Mario and the Nintendo characters) and use them as a selling point for their portable. Give people games they cannot find elsewhere. This was the charm of the original Gameboy and continues to be the charm of Nintendos handhelds, which still are their bread and butter. I cannot defend Sony on their handheld and I wont. If they do somethng wrong, they were just wrong and they know it too. Using indy titles wont save them. Just because they have powerful hardware, doesn't mean they cannot make quality exclusive content for it. They are overworking themselves past their resources so they need third party intervention.

What bias is that exactly? The bias for reality? I will gladly claim a bias towards reality and what we can actually see and touch and play versus magical potential wonderland. And like the rest of the gaming world, IDGAF about the Vita so idk what you're going on about in the last paragraph but I am skipping it ;)


Again...did you watch the video? If not then you're words are useless. Move on.



Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.

So let me get this straight. MS spent millions in R&D on Kinect.  Sold the first one at a profit at a pretty good price.  Updated the second one with advance tech and decided to bet the farm that people will love this device by adding it to their console.  By doing this, their console comes with a premium price which is a hundred dollars more then their competitor but you are telling us that MS does not have confidence in their device.  

Then we have Sony who spent millions on the PSeye, updated the device with another camera, updated their controller to be seen by the PSeye, spent a good chunk of cash developing the Move and nav controller, hell they even have a free game on launch to use the PSeye.  Instead of having confidence to sell that PSeye with their new console they did not.  Sony says its an option.

If I were to think about this in a logical way, it would appear that MS is a hell of a lot more sure about their device since they are willing to include it with every console sold, increase the base price of their console over their competitior.  In other words, they are so sure people will want the new connect they are willing to start the console war at a disadvantage in price.  It also seems MS is making all the efforts to make Kinect central to an experience.  Sony appears to do the same thing but regulated the PSeye as an add-on  thus ensuring a split within their userbase.

When I really think about it, I would say that Sony isn't sure if they included the PSeye with the PS4 they can compete with MS.  I am sure its much easier to compete with your competitor on price then it might be in features where your device just does not cut it when compared to the competition.

LOL.  Sony spent no where near as much money on the PS Eye as MS did on kinect.  I am talking orders of magnitude difference.  They have had the PS Eye since the PS2 and it has never been an essential devive.   Also the light on the PS4 controller can be used for other things, and it costed almost nothing to add to the controller...



Captain_Tom said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.

So let me get this straight. MS spent millions in R&D on Kinect.  Sold the first one at a profit at a pretty good price.  Updated the second one with advance tech and decided to bet the farm that people will love this device by adding it to their console.  By doing this, their console comes with a premium price which is a hundred dollars more then their competitor but you are telling us that MS does not have confidence in their device.  

Then we have Sony who spent millions on the PSeye, updated the device with another camera, updated their controller to be seen by the PSeye, spent a good chunk of cash developing the Move and nav controller, hell they even have a free game on launch to use the PSeye.  Instead of having confidence to sell that PSeye with their new console they did not.  Sony says its an option.

If I were to think about this in a logical way, it would appear that MS is a hell of a lot more sure about their device since they are willing to include it with every console sold, increase the base price of their console over their competitior.  In other words, they are so sure people will want the new connect they are willing to start the console war at a disadvantage in price.  It also seems MS is making all the efforts to make Kinect central to an experience.  Sony appears to do the same thing but regulated the PSeye as an add-on  thus ensuring a split within their userbase.

When I really think about it, I would say that Sony isn't sure if they included the PSeye with the PS4 they can compete with MS.  I am sure its much easier to compete with your competitor on price then it might be in features where your device just does not cut it when compared to the competition.

LOL.  Sony spent no where near as much money on the PS Eye as MS did on kinect.  I am talking orders of magnitude difference.  They have had the PS Eye since the PS2 and it has never been an essential devive.   Also the light on the PS4 controller can be used for other things, and it costed almost nothing to add to the controller...


Yep, much like the PS4, they create most of their newer hardware for cost effectiveness (minus the Vita). The PS3 was a disaster for profit which took them ten years to make. The Xbox One bundle was created for unified experience and to help profit come early to all parts involved, but this time around both should profit pretty quickly. The PS4 will profit sooner though because of the option, and the Eyetoy will profit later given they have software incentives to purchase it.



thranx said:
Areym said:
ironmanDX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.


That is just garbage. Kinect is around 25 million in sales, MS have the knowledge, experience and resources to back that up and sell Kinect 2 just as well.

God knows how it got to 25 million. The amount of noticeable games on it was abysmal, same goes for the PS Move. I'm sure MS were doing the Scrooge McDuck money pool dive while the people who bought a Kinect wondered what the fuck they could do with it after a week....tops.

 kinect is my most used feature of my xbox 360. I am getting the xbox one solely because no other companie in the world right now offers what it does with voice controls. Its going to make my entertainment watching even more enjoyable than kinect 1 did. I cant wait. when the kinect 2 gets released for pc, I will get it for that too. The closest thing to kinect right now are tvs with voice(which only work for your tv, not all the entertainment apps that xbox has, nor my cable box, and cost a lot more). I would hope some company could compete with MS in this area so the xbox one would be cheaper, but no has stepped up to the plate yet.

Alright, fair enough. This is a market for Kinect, but you have to at least admit that Kinect was not handled well as far as its implementation with games. For all the install base they grabbed, they really did not do much with device it self. Albeit, things like controlling the dashboard and commands on different games are cool, they aren't revolutionizing anything anytime soon. 



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Areym said:
thranx said:
Areym said:
ironmanDX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.


That is just garbage. Kinect is around 25 million in sales, MS have the knowledge, experience and resources to back that up and sell Kinect 2 just as well.

God knows how it got to 25 million. The amount of noticeable games on it was abysmal, same goes for the PS Move. I'm sure MS were doing the Scrooge McDuck money pool dive while the people who bought a Kinect wondered what the fuck they could do with it after a week....tops.

 kinect is my most used feature of my xbox 360. I am getting the xbox one solely because no other companie in the world right now offers what it does with voice controls. Its going to make my entertainment watching even more enjoyable than kinect 1 did. I cant wait. when the kinect 2 gets released for pc, I will get it for that too. The closest thing to kinect right now are tvs with voice(which only work for your tv, not all the entertainment apps that xbox has, nor my cable box, and cost a lot more). I would hope some company could compete with MS in this area so the xbox one would be cheaper, but no has stepped up to the plate yet.

Alright, fair enough. This is a market for Kinect, but you have to at least admit that Kinect was not handled well as far as its implementation with games. For all the install base they grabbed, they really did not do much with device it self. Albeit, things like controlling the dashboard and commands on different games are cool, they aren't revolutionizing anything anytime soon. 


Haha love the rick grimes pic, even though the show is massively overrated and even poor at times.

 

It is laughable people say Kinect makes the entertainment expereince vastly better. Voice is more of a hindrance and an annoyance to me, I know many cannot stand voice activated anything. it is a gimmick nothing more. Same thing with gaming. When I am sitting home watching a show, how does kinect enhance anything? It doesn't.

 

Ms is betting too much on it and are going to lose.

 

Even nintendo has abandoned the motion fad.



iamdeath said:
Areym said:
thranx said:
Areym said:
ironmanDX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.


That is just garbage. Kinect is around 25 million in sales, MS have the knowledge, experience and resources to back that up and sell Kinect 2 just as well.

God knows how it got to 25 million. The amount of noticeable games on it was abysmal, same goes for the PS Move. I'm sure MS were doing the Scrooge McDuck money pool dive while the people who bought a Kinect wondered what the fuck they could do with it after a week....tops.

 kinect is my most used feature of my xbox 360. I am getting the xbox one solely because no other companie in the world right now offers what it does with voice controls. Its going to make my entertainment watching even more enjoyable than kinect 1 did. I cant wait. when the kinect 2 gets released for pc, I will get it for that too. The closest thing to kinect right now are tvs with voice(which only work for your tv, not all the entertainment apps that xbox has, nor my cable box, and cost a lot more). I would hope some company could compete with MS in this area so the xbox one would be cheaper, but no has stepped up to the plate yet.

Alright, fair enough. This is a market for Kinect, but you have to at least admit that Kinect was not handled well as far as its implementation with games. For all the install base they grabbed, they really did not do much with device it self. Albeit, things like controlling the dashboard and commands on different games are cool, they aren't revolutionizing anything anytime soon. 


Haha love the rick grimes pic, even though the show is massively overrated and even poor at times.

 

It is laughable people say Kinect makes the entertainment expereince vastly better. Voice is more of a hindrance and an annoyance to me, I know many cannot stand voice activated anything. it is a gimmick nothing more. Same thing with gaming. When I am sitting home watching a show, how does kinect enhance anything? It doesn't.

 

Ms is betting too much on it and are going to lose.

 

Even nintendo has abandoned the motion fad.

You would think that instead of trusting the abundant (25 million) loyal Kinect customer to pony up money to get the new Kinect 2, they decided to throw into the Xbox One, with no Kinectless-Xbox one in sight. Now, what does that tell you?



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Areym said:
iamdeath said:
Areym said:
thranx said:
Areym said:
ironmanDX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
In short, they know the Kinect 2.0 wont sell if its sold separately.


That is just garbage. Kinect is around 25 million in sales, MS have the knowledge, experience and resources to back that up and sell Kinect 2 just as well.

God knows how it got to 25 million. The amount of noticeable games on it was abysmal, same goes for the PS Move. I'm sure MS were doing the Scrooge McDuck money pool dive while the people who bought a Kinect wondered what the fuck they could do with it after a week....tops.

 kinect is my most used feature of my xbox 360. I am getting the xbox one solely because no other companie in the world right now offers what it does with voice controls. Its going to make my entertainment watching even more enjoyable than kinect 1 did. I cant wait. when the kinect 2 gets released for pc, I will get it for that too. The closest thing to kinect right now are tvs with voice(which only work for your tv, not all the entertainment apps that xbox has, nor my cable box, and cost a lot more). I would hope some company could compete with MS in this area so the xbox one would be cheaper, but no has stepped up to the plate yet.

Alright, fair enough. This is a market for Kinect, but you have to at least admit that Kinect was not handled well as far as its implementation with games. For all the install base they grabbed, they really did not do much with device it self. Albeit, things like controlling the dashboard and commands on different games are cool, they aren't revolutionizing anything anytime soon. 


Haha love the rick grimes pic, even though the show is massively overrated and even poor at times.

 

It is laughable people say Kinect makes the entertainment expereince vastly better. Voice is more of a hindrance and an annoyance to me, I know many cannot stand voice activated anything. it is a gimmick nothing more. Same thing with gaming. When I am sitting home watching a show, how does kinect enhance anything? It doesn't.

 

Ms is betting too much on it and are going to lose.

 

Even nintendo has abandoned the motion fad.

You would think that instead of trusting the abundant (25 million) loyal Kinect customer to pony up money to get the new Kinect 2, they decided to throw into the Xbox One, with no Kinectless-Xbox one in sight. Now, what does that tell you?


That Microsoft are totally out of touch. Like many of their products the last decade.



iamdeath said:


Haha love the rick grimes pic, even though the show is massively overrated and even poor at times.

 

It is laughable people say Kinect makes the entertainment expereince vastly better. Voice is more of a hindrance and an annoyance to me, I know many cannot stand voice activated anything. it is a gimmick nothing more. Same thing with gaming. When I am sitting home watching a show, how does kinect enhance anything? It doesn't.

 

Ms is betting too much on it and are going to lose.

 

Even nintendo has abandoned the motion fad.


Kinect sports was great and yes it did lack in the hardcore department but families love Kinect. it's a great way to entertain more then just you and your friend. 25 million in the short time period it was out was massive. For a add on that is a total success. So I love that you hate on the product but downplaying to say it adds nothing, is not true at all. Nintendo still has wii controllers. You have no clue what your talking about. It's called the "WII U!" all other controllers are motion controllers. So it is very much a part of the system. you must not own it, I do.



DJEVOLVE said:
iamdeath said:
 


Haha love the rick grimes pic, even though the show is massively overrated and even poor at times.

 

It is laughable people say Kinect makes the entertainment expereince vastly better. Voice is more of a hindrance and an annoyance to me, I know many cannot stand voice activated anything. it is a gimmick nothing more. Same thing with gaming. When I am sitting home watching a show, how does kinect enhance anything? It doesn't.

 

Ms is betting too much on it and are going to lose.

 

Even nintendo has abandoned the motion fad.


Kinect sports was great and yes it did lack in the hardcore department but families love Kinect. it's a great way to entertain more then just you and your friend. 25 million in the short time period it was out was massive. For a add on that is a total success. So I love that you hate on the product but downplaying to say it adds nothing, is not true at all. Nintendo still has wii controllers. You have no clue what your talking about. It's called the "WII U!" all other controllers are motion controllers. So it is very much a part of the system. you must not own it, I do.


They still have wii controlelrs so they are right behine motion? The wii abrely sells and neither is the wii-u, and nintendo has not done anything in several years game wise for their motion controllers.

 

Tehy saw the writing on the wall and sales stagnate. It's a gimmick and a fad. Kinect is even worse, only MS advertising made it sell, it will never work for gaming.