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jake_the_fake1 said:

RolStoppable said "1) Nintendo doesn't drop their systems this fast." I only required that one example to disprove his statment.

FYI, the Sega 32x was on the market for about 10-11 months before being discontinued. The Sega Saturn was on the market for about 3 years and 3 month in the US before being dropped (it was 6 year and 1 month in Japan). Finally the Dreamcast was on the market for about 1 year and 6 months in the US (It was 2 years and 4 months in Japan). Numbers from wikipedia..

The Virtualboy was dropped much faster than the 3 Sega home consoles you mentioned, again I only required this one example to disprove your statment  "Nintendo don't drop systems, the way that Sega did..." especially when history proves otherwise.

Just to clarify, I am NOT saying the WiiU will be dropped like the Virtualboy my point was to correct the revisionist history some people have when it comes to Nintendo, nothing more nothing less.

 

 

Uh............look. No offense..............but what exactly is your point?

 

You're using the fucking VIRTUAL BOY, a bad idea from the very beginning, because no one in their right mind really cares about "virtual reality", let alone a crappy headset with black and red graphics that you have to hold put on a stand to lean over into so that it can give you headaches. It was a waste of time, a waste of money, a waste of everything. It was just a horribly bad idea. Nintendo's ONE horribly bad idea. Nintendo dropped it because sales were far more abysmal than anything else they've ever put on the market, and they realized rather quickly that "oh shit, we shouldn't have bothered with this thing, what a dumb idea!"

 

Sorry, but the Virtual Boy is not valid grounds for an argument about anything. That is literally grasping at straws. Sega had one major success, the Megadrive/Genesis, and they failed repeatedly to follow up on that success, not due to the fact that they made crap games no one wanted, or even that they made bad consoles. It was because they were blundering fools on the business-side of things, and completely fucked themselves out of the console market. The Sega CD, the 32x, the 32xCD, the Nomad, the canned Neptune idea (which was basically an upgraded 32x console, a 32bit cartridge based system). And then finally the Saturn, which was a great system, but the one serious mistake they made with it, was NOT ever having a real Sonic game on it. Sonic 3D Blast was awful, as was Sonic R. If they had just made a real, honest to god, good looking 32bit sprite based "Sonic the Hedgehog 4", crammed with content, it would have sold hotcakes. They also, while starting off okay, rahter quickly lost the third party support to Sony's Playstation. Saturn had some great games (more, in my estimation, than Dreamcast did), but Sega quite simply dropped the ball in not supporting it enough. And they abandoned it long before the Dreamcast even came out. Then the Dreamcast comes out, arguably too early (just like the Saturn), and while it had a solid launch, it's major releases, and sales, subsequently dried up going into 2000 with the PS2 coming out. One thing they also failed to do on Dreamcast, was they failed to capitalize on new franchises they had started on Saturn, such as Panzer Dragoon, Clockwork Knight, Bug, Nights, etc. Similarly to how they dropped the ball with the Saturn, not having any real Golden Axe, or Streets of Rage, or a REAL Sonic, or another Phantasy Star, you name it.

 

I like Sega. They had/have some great franchises, and they were a good rival company for Nintendo back in the day. But ignoring all of Sega's failures that ultimately led to them exiting the market, to Nintendo's ONE true fuck-up, the VB, is I'm sorry, pretty goddamn silly. The Virtual Boy was an extraneous, frivalous, needlessly risky and pointless experiment. They literally had no real reason to try it, but they did anyway. The Game Boy was ruling the world, the NES and SNES had been incredibly successful consoles. The N64 was looming on the horizon. There was just zero good excuse to put it out. Outside of that, really......what is there? The N64 was still a success, despite the sales of the PS1, it still lasted well into 2001, and had some of the top selling games of that generation. The GC, their lowest selling home console to date, was still a financial success despite lagging behind the Xbox, and again, had some of the top games of it's gen. And they certainly didn't "abandon it" despite sales never living up to expectations. In fact it was still on the market until 2007.

So again, I just don't see what pointing out that a crappy, pointless secondary handheld they put out as a bad experiement, lasted less time on the market than Sega's actual next gen consoles. That they, by the way, did abandon. Nintendo has not abandoned an actual system of theirs, in their entire history. And I don't seriously think they would abandon the Wii U either. The worst case scenario, is that, as I said, they have to eat money and drop the price before they'd like to to spur sales. If they dropped the price $100 (not that I think they should right this minute), it would be guaranteed to fly off shelves, just because of the price. But no, they are not going to abandon it. And the Virtual Boy was a glaring exception, not, by any stretch or spin of the imagination, the rule.



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My worry is that it'll be pulled from the shelves by retailers which will of course mean it will be discontinued. I plan on getting one in holiday 2014 but that can change. 



My opinion.


Im actually considering buying a Wii U. There isnt anything exciting for me coming to PS4, I feel it is more of the same. I havnt owned a Nintendo console for a new time so itll be something new, also this new zelda game looks alright. Usually id buy a ps system for the great FF games but now for me the series is dead. Skyrim was a let down and new Vegas was lame. The only game im looking forward to is mickey mouse remake .



RolStoppable said:
Gamerace said:

I also share your concern with WiiU. I've been predicting it's early demise long before it launched. And once Nintendo starts to focus on a new system the old one is abandoned in it's last year which we've seen again and again. That'd mean 2012 and 2013 would likely be the only 'good' years for Nintendo games on WiiU and considering this years line-up, that's scary.

The things you sometimes say...

It looks like you really believe that Nintendo will launch a new console in 2015 in order to "catch up" to Sony and Microsoft. There are two big problems though:

1) Nintendo doesn't drop their systems this fast.
2) Matching Sony and Microsoft in horsepower won't lead to more third party games, making a new console moot.

Although if your belief is along the lines of "You thought the Wii U was a disaster? Just wait until you see how insane Nintendo's next move is going to be!", then it would at least make sense. Complete self-destruction.


Actually I typoed.  I meant to say 2013/2014 would be the best years on WiiU with a new system coming out 2016.  While I do expect it to mostly match up with P4/XB1 I also expect some Nintendo magic (Wii/DS kind not 3DS/WiiU kind) to really set it apart from the other consoles.  The fact that it (can) have huge mass market appeal AND port over all games pretty much perfectly will make it a very compelling system.



 

RolStoppable said:
Gamerace said:

Actually I typoed.  I meant to say 2013/2014 would be the best years on WiiU with a new system coming out 2016.  While I do expect it to mostly match up with P4/XB1 I also expect some Nintendo magic (Wii/DS kind not 3DS/WiiU kind) to really set it apart from the other consoles.  The fact that it (can) have huge mass market appeal AND port over all games pretty much perfectly will make it a very compelling system.

Just because it could run ports doesn't mean it will get them. The Wii U should still be fresh in your memory: A system that was built to get the ports, but didn't get most of them. Decisions that were made by third parties before the Wii U launched. If third parties aren't going to support Nintendo during a generational transition where everyone's installed base resets to zero, then what hope is there that third parties will support a Nintendo console that starts with an installed base of zero while the PS4 and X1 are in full swing?

It's true ports are not guaranteed.  But where Nintendo would have an advantage is in being able to once again zig where the others have zagged.  With WiiU we know Nintendo decided to mostly follow the course set by others, and we know that never works well for them.  They can't compete with Sony/MS by being another high-powered console.  They can't compete with mobile by adding a touch screen.  Nintendo does best when it's doing it's own unique thing.

With a system launching in 2016, still early in this new gen of consoles (which should go until 2020/2021) they can cost effectively come out with a similarly powered machine, at a good price which offers gameplay the others (including mobile) don't and simply can't without having to totally redo their modus operandi.    If Nintendo manages it well, like DS and Wii, they can have another massive hit and with ports being butt easy to put on Wii3 or whatever, why wouldn't anyone do it?   Some won't but most will because it'll be easy money even if their games still sell better on PS4/XB1.  

Besides which, Wii had MASSIVE 3rd party support.  Over 4000 games launched on Wii.  While we wouldn't play 90% of them (and most 'core' gamers more like 99%) fact is many of them sold very well.   There are also more game developers than ever before in history thanks to mobile.  Will mobile dev come to Wii3?  If a similar audience exists on Wii3 as did Wii, YES because they will do well on that platform.   Look at Angry Birds success on 3DS for evidence of this.

I realize this isn't what most Nintendo fans want, but Nintendo needs more Wii's and DS's and less WiiU's/GC's.  And a healthy strong Nintendo is a plus for all Nintendo fans and the gaming community at large (even if 'core' gamers won't care for it, or maybe they will, depending on what innovation Wii3 brings to the table). 

Now will any of this happens?  Lord knows.  I totally got Nintendo in 2006-2011.  After that I don't understand WTF they were thinking with 3DS and WiiU.  3DS is doing well, but it's obvious they made a slew of poor decisions before saving it with price cuts/games and it's still no DS.  WiiU needs no explanation.   If they return to their 'blue ocean' strategy then they might have a chance of regaining their former glory again.  If they instead insist on pandering to what they think Nintendo fans want and 3rd parties want then it'll just be another missed opportunity and they'll really weaked themselves and likely become a delicious prospect for buyout by some huge Chinese mobile gaming company who'd realize immediate millions by placing Nintendo IPs on mobile on competing platforms.    Or they can just continue to try to prop up the WiiU for five more years with limited success and face the same prospect.



 

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i'm not getting wii u...becaause it has no 3rd party games...