If you have the time to go deep in anime, i mean very deep, then you will realize that japanese anime has a lot more to offer. In cartoon it's almost the same cartoon with new season. Not saying it's a bad thing but that is how they do. In Japan they have ton of series of 12 or 24 episodes... They keep adding new anime. And animes tends to be more mature like you were watching a movie. I am a big fan of anime and manga, and unless you are deep in anime, you will think that cartoon are better. I watch both, but anime wins for me.
kupomogli said: Japan. Atleast they still got one thing going for them.
I bet I can name twice as many great American Cartoons than you can name Japan ones.
Not including David the Gnome.
I really doubt you can.
"We'll toss the dice however they fall, And snuggle the girls be they short or tall, Then follow young Mat whenever he calls, To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."
Animation wise, American Cartoons generally have more fluid animation since they usually have higher Frames-Per-Second rates.
Art Wise, Japanese Anime is faaaaaaaaaar faaaaarrrrr superior in terms of art...like...its not even a contest.
Story wise...derp. Anime wins here by default, 95% of American toons are episodic with very vague long-term stories. Anime on the other hand is very story driven (setting aside gag series)
Something you have to remember about Japanese Anime, they run 3 dozen new series every 3 months, as opposed to America's 1 or 2 a year. In that regard, the Japanese absolutely trounce the USA.
This entire argument is dependent on the time period of animation we're talking about.
If it's the 80's/90's...America wins HANDS DOWN...not even remotely a competition, Disney was absolutely amazing back then - it doesn't get better than Disney.
If we're talking about 00's/10's... Japan wins hands down.
...uhh...ill just put my favorite quote of all time here.
"Welcome to Pain, the second of three...You have dealt the first...now deal with me!!"
JWeinCom said: In terms of animation (strictly visual) I think the US/West has the edge. In Japan, all the animation is pretty homogenized. Same character style, same art style, color palette, etc. US has a pretty wide range of art styles which is really good.
In terms of story though, Japan wins out. Most US cartoons fall into a few categories. You have inanely random shows, kids action shows, kids comedy shows, and Simpsons inspired sitcoms. With Japan, you animation can be a medium for action, romance, comedy, drama, etc. Stuff like Serial Experiments, Death Note, Haibane Renmei, and Paranoia Agent show that they take animation a bit more seriously. Wish their art styles were as varied as the stories.
All of these shows have drastically different animation and art styles, yet you act as if they do not. Puzzling.
"We'll toss the dice however they fall, And snuggle the girls be they short or tall, Then follow young Mat whenever he calls, To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."
I prefer anime over us animations. They offer a huge variety and some are really good. The U.S. has some nice ones too like avatar/korra which I really enjoyed, but mostly anime seems to be better.
RolStoppable said: America, because they actually bother to animate them. Anime is a lot of still pictures stringed together.
It sounds like your basing your opinion on Speed Racer and some long running shonen. Anime has produced some of the most fluid animation around. Just take a look at Cowboy Bebop, Mitchiko & Hatchin, Tiger & Bunny, Eureka 7, Soul Eater, Black Lagoon and Samurai 7.
US Animation has shifted to 3D so I dunno why we're gonna compare quality 2D animation with quality 3D animation.
Though I must say, US 2D animation pioneered so much foundation that it gave ideas and aspects for Japanese 2D animation to flourish.
Sad to say though US 2D animation is dead.
Just gonna be a nerd and dump some info for Japanese Animators I really admire. Maybe later....
Yeah, this is what bugs me the most. American made animation is normally top notch. But then you have these cartoons that were so terrible in the animation departments, made my head hurt.
Japan, currently. Despite the stigma that "Moe Blob" is infesting everything (and that trend is starting to reverse, though it's death will be slower than its rise and will never go away entirely anyway), animation is broader of purpose, suiting more genres and more moods.
Western Animation has a few bright spots: Adventure Time, The Legend of Korra, Regular Show, American Dad (i would say, anyway. It has not suffered the decay of either Family Guy or The Simpsons, not yet), My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Venture Bros. Precious little else, however.
RolStoppable said: America, because they actually bother to animate them. Anime is a lot of still pictures stringed together.
It sounds like your basing your opinion on Speed Racer and some long running shonen. Anime has produced some of the most fluid animation around. Just take a look at Cowboy Bebop, Mitchiko & Hatchin, Tiger & Bunny, Eureka 7, Soul Eater, Black Lagoon and Samurai 7.
Red Line.
I tend to care much more about stories and characters than production quality (i notice poor quality, but high quality usually doesn't wow me especially). But damn, Red Line.
US Animation has shifted to 3D so I dunno why we're gonna compare quality 2D animation with quality 3D animation.
Though I must say, US 2D animation pioneered so much foundation that it gave ideas and aspects for Japanese 2D animation to flourish.
Sad to say though US 2D animation is dead.
Just gonna be a nerd and dump some info for Japanese Animators I really admire. Maybe later....
Yeah, this is what bugs me the most. American made animation is normally top notch. But then you have these cartoons that were so terrible in the animation departments, made my head hurt.
Whilst I believe that to be true for 3D animation; 2D animation in US is not top notch anymore. There's a lack of sense of evolution in their style of animation. It's really dated.
The only recent animation I can remember to associate with US animation is Avatar. However some parts of it where outsorced to other countries. Now Korra season 2 is getting help from Studio Pierrot(Bleach, Naruto, Yuyu Hakusho) IIRC. So it's not really a full american production.
The likes of Spongebob were decent. However the most memorable US animation I can note is the old Tom & Jerry shows. Those were really really good.
Now for some little trivia.
Japan might be getting praised for a couple of great works but the production conditions for animation there are usually so damn constricted. I'm sure you guys encountered quality drops when watching anime.
It's rare for them get so much time before the thing airs. Some even stretch as low as 6 months production time. If it's an action anime it's gonnna get bottlenecked by terrible scheduling issues hence getting a lot of drop in quality. Now some studio wants to challenge that and try something new with producing a 13 episode show within 3 months time. Spells disaster if you know how these things usually work but it's gonna be interesting if they pull it through.
On a side note. I dunno how US animation gets produced back then but in Japan the show itself is funded by sponsors. Most of the shows are aired late night. And I mean late night. Some even air as late as 23:30 - 24:30. The reasoning behind here is that the slot is much cheaper. Here the TV networks don't alot or fund the animation shows. The production committee buys the slots for the show. Usually if it's an adaptation, the ones who will surely be a part for funding are the owner of the source materials. So with that, budget for these shows are usually very tight. They make do by spreading quality episodes althrough out the series. But of course some of the drops will be very noticeable, others won't be(magically). And that's one of the special things about Japanese animation. They developed neat tricks on how to depict motion with fewer frames without hampering the fluidity of the scene.
It's really admireable that even with constrictions like those(I'm not even listing the other things I know) they still tend to produce quality animation generally.
Pardon if this thing goes a little out of topic and my sentences are a little scattered. I should really be sleeping now. :P