LOL.....Wow you're trying so hard to rationalize this aren't you?

You'll see...and keep in mind, they will drop the price of the XBone to be closer to PS4 in price if the PS4 outsells them or possibly precautionary to make sure they dont before the launch. The same Kinect they said could not be let go will be let go eventually for a standardize product. Care to make a wager? 

Both of you please watch your quote trees! They are entirely excessive.

But I thought you were so focused on talking about the PS4 and Xbox One? Why are you now trying to talk about last gen?

Shifting goal posts never stop... :)

Why don't you attack the other guy for bringing up the current gen? I was humoring him. Im not shifting any goal post, you see what you want to see.

Rationailze what?  For you, everything M$ does is somehow related to matching Sony.  Yet, if i said that they did it to anwer the consumer, you would say no.  Then why is Sony doing anything that it is doing if not for the consumer.  M$ went from 25 Million Xboxes to 78+ Million 360's by listening to their consumers and providing something that they wanted.  They thought(mistakenly) that the XBone was going to do the same thing in its original incarnation.  The consumers told them NO, so they went back to their 360 plan that obviously worked for them.  What makes me LOL is that you and most of the other people with similar comments want to give Sony so much credit for doing nothing.  I atleast give M$ credit for trying something different, and hope that they keep trying.  That will be the only way that we will see any innovation.  The only innovation coming from Sony is coming from their 1st party studios, not Sony themselves.

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I will continue this on your page. We're making too many quote trees.

Sony didn't do a damn thing to "stand up for gamers". Quite frankly they don't care anything about you or any gamer at all any further than their pocket books. If they make you happy, you make them profitable. That is all there is to it. Same goes for all companies.

And if you really don't think the PS4 has DRM built in and that Sony had several plans in the works, you are delusional. All the patents and evidence showed that Sony was just as equally considering a route like MS. Probably executed  in a different way, but still there. They saw the negative press and decided to make a bold business decision. They played the opposite card of MS in hopes to gain marketshare and profit of MS's folly. It worked with them for a while, but now that MS has changed it's policies, that "advantage" to them is gone. Now they will have to live with the decisions they made.  A fractured and useless camera add-on (PS4 Eye), losses on hardware due to the "more powerful" hardware they went with, no way to help support developers with used games (both big and small, not just EA that you keep spouting), basically nothing new or innovative other than a social focus in their UI and a streaming service they bought but still to this day have done nothing with and still haven't announced any firm plans for other than to use it for re-buying your old games to stream in a fake sense of backwards compatibility.

Have you ever used a ps3 before? Yes, you can. The plus sub is good for the whole system and any one's account that is on that system. You should be allowed 2 ps4, 2 ps3 and 2 vita's at any giving time, If you go over to your friends house and already of two open, close one and open his and youre good to go. 

You mean the guy that kept reinforcing that this was a NEXT GEN, Xbox One vs PS4 discussion when you would start comparing current gen nonsense?

All this talk about Sony standing for gamers, but no mention of them charging for multiplayer.