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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yep, it was a lie. They just needed to get people to believe in the concept of the Kinect 2. They know the commercial value is gone so they force bundled it and told people the Xbone couldn't go on without it. They also told everyone they couldnt overturn policies on DRM and they did within weeks. They basically lied about almost everything. Luckily in business its not always about lies, so the fans can get what they want out of the deal without being had.

Actaully MS did not overturn their Online DRM policy, they completly dropped the online part completely.  There is a big difference between the 2.  MS could not just change how the console was going to handle its online infrastuture.  Everything was tied into having games installed on the HDD.  The whole DRM was because games were going to be installed on the console instead of run from disk. 

As for Kinect having to be plugged in, it probably did have to be plugged in.  This was an unpopular issue for consumers and evidently MS changed the console to not depend on Kinect.  Probably should have done that in the first place but hindsight is....well you know the rest.  

Anyway lie does not fit the situation.  180 meets the turn better as they had unpopular ideals and totally changed them based on consumer feedback.  Not sure why people would want a company to ignore them but if you read comments from most people you would think they want a company to igore their complaints.


180= Taking something back or change to the opposite direction in which you were headed.

lie

1   [lahy]  Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.prevarication, falsification. truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie thatdeceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.

So you proved that MS did not lie.  180 to change a direction to lie is to give false information.  None of the info MS gave was false about their device but instead the direction MS was steering the device was the problem.



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Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yep, it was a lie. They just needed to get people to believe in the concept of the Kinect 2. They know the commercial value is gone so they force bundled it and told people the Xbone couldn't go on without it. They also told everyone they couldnt overturn policies on DRM and they did within weeks. They basically lied about almost everything. Luckily in business its not always about lies, so the fans can get what they want out of the deal without being had.

Actaully MS did not overturn their Online DRM policy, they completly dropped the online part completely.  There is a big difference between the 2.  MS could not just change how the console was going to handle its online infrastuture.  Everything was tied into having games installed on the HDD.  The whole DRM was because games were going to be installed on the console instead of run from disk. 

As for Kinect having to be plugged in, it probably did have to be plugged in.  This was an unpopular issue for consumers and evidently MS changed the console to not depend on Kinect.  Probably should have done that in the first place but hindsight is....well you know the rest.  

Anyway lie does not fit the situation.  180 meets the turn better as they had unpopular ideals and totally changed them based on consumer feedback.  Not sure why people would want a company to ignore them but if you read comments from most people you would think they want a company to igore their complaints.


180= Taking something back or change to the opposite direction in which you were headed.

lie

1   [lahy]  Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.prevarication, falsification. truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie thatdeceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.

So you proved that MS did not lie.  180 to change a direction to lie is to give false information.  None of the info MS gave was false about their device but instead the direction MS was steering the device was the problem.


1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.prevarication

They pulled a 180 on the policy, but decieved the majority of the people about the dependence of the peripheral upon said product. 

Good Day Sir!



Megaton!



It's just that simple.

next they will do chesper sku without kinect amd bam... cheaper console, split development base and every last thing they initially fed us will have been changed, way to stick to your guns



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yep, it was a lie. They just needed to get people to believe in the concept of the Kinect 2. They know the commercial value is gone so they force bundled it and told people the Xbone couldn't go on without it. They also told everyone they couldnt overturn policies on DRM and they did within weeks. They basically lied about almost everything. Luckily in business its not always about lies, so the fans can get what they want out of the deal without being had.

Actaully MS did not overturn their Online DRM policy, they completly dropped the online part completely.  There is a big difference between the 2.  MS could not just change how the console was going to handle its online infrastuture.  Everything was tied into having games installed on the HDD.  The whole DRM was because games were going to be installed on the console instead of run from disk. 

As for Kinect having to be plugged in, it probably did have to be plugged in.  This was an unpopular issue for consumers and evidently MS changed the console to not depend on Kinect.  Probably should have done that in the first place but hindsight is....well you know the rest.  

Anyway lie does not fit the situation.  180 meets the turn better as they had unpopular ideals and totally changed them based on consumer feedback.  Not sure why people would want a company to ignore them but if you read comments from most people you would think they want a company to igore their complaints.


180= Taking something back or change to the opposite direction in which you were headed.

lie

1   [lahy]  Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.prevarication, falsification. truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie thatdeceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. prevaricate, fib.
6.
to express what is false; convey a false impression.

So you proved that MS did not lie.  180 to change a direction to lie is to give false information.  None of the info MS gave was false about their device but instead the direction MS was steering the device was the problem.


1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.prevarication

They pulled a 180 on the policy, but decieved the majority of the people about the dependence of the peripheral upon said product. 

Good Day Sir!


 I understand your logic but there is a flaw.  At the time when MS made all of these nice statements, never was it stated that they could not be reversed.  Its still the same thing.  MS followed one vision and it was flawed so they they reversed those decisions.  In some steps they had to drop everything and go back to square one.  Others they had to work out removing certain aspect of a product to fit the new direction.  This does not make any statements a lie.  It would be a lie if MS continue to follow a flawed plan and told everyone that this is neccessary.  That would be considered a lie.  Any decision can be reversed if you are willing to pay the price for it.  You can believe that all the reversals MS has made cost a ton of money.

You want to compare something that I consider a lie.  When you tell people a feature is not needed, last gen and you have better tech all the while you did not implement the tech because you did not pay a license fee for it.  Once the license fee was settled, your next iteration of a product had that obsolete feature in it.  Guess what product that was.



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Nyleveia said:
next they will do chesper sku without kinect amd bam... cheaper console, split development base and every last thing they initially fed us will have been changed, way to stick to your guns


Yep, I believe they will next drop the force bundling of Kinect if the PS4 beats them to better holiday sales out the gate. They are going to try to keep this race as tight as possible. If I know MS as well as I think I do, and I've been right about their moves before pertaining to Sony they will do this.



So what's left for the haters now?
- Doesn't have enough Japanese support
- It's $100 more
- It's not as powerful
- No backwards party chat
What else?



It's just that simple.

MonstaMack said:
So what's left for the haters now?
- Doesn't have enough Japanese support
- It's $100 more
- It's not as powerful
- No backwards party chat
What else?


Haters will hate as long as its made by MS



           Survivor Millennial vs Gen X!!

MonstaMack said:
So what's left for the haters now?
- Doesn't have enough Japanese support
- It's $100 more
- It's not as powerful
- No backwards party chat
What else?


It wont be $100 more very soon, Sony just has to make the right move. MS will drop the price for you. :)



Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:




 I understand your logic but there is a flaw.  At the time when MS made all of these nice statements, never was it stated that they could not be reversed.  Its still the same thing.  MS followed one vision and it was flawed so they they reversed those decisions.  In some steps they had to drop everything and go back to square one.  Others they had to work out removing certain aspect of a product to fit the new direction.  This does not make any statements a lie.  It would be a lie if MS continue to follow a flawed plan and told everyone that this is neccessary.  That would be considered a lie.  Any decision can be reversed if you are willing to pay the price for it.  You can believe that all the reversals MS has made cost a ton of money.

You want to compare something that I consider a lie.  When you tell people a feature is not needed, last gen and you have better tech all the while you did not implement the tech because you did not pay a license fee for it.  Once the license fee was settled, your next iteration of a product had that obsolete feature in it.  Guess what product that was.

Of course MS was saying their policies and DRM could not just be reversed. Watch Angry Joe E3 edition where he speaks to Major Nelson and calls him out saying MS could take back the ridiculous policies and Nelson told him they couldnt. Basically made him look like an ass and then soon after they dropped the DRM and many policies one after the other. Angry Joe put on a video saying, "I told you so".  

Major Nelson is PR, he will lie if he has to. The best thing he should've said was no comment regarding policies. In specific instances there were lies, there was confusion because too many MS employees were saying different things and confusing press and lastly they eventually had to pull the 180.