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NightDragon83 on 12 August 2013

One can very easily make the argument that while the Wii was indeed a runaway success, it was an anomaly in the grand scheme of things pertaining to Nintendo home consoles, as the Wii U is looking to pick right up where the GC left off... a niche console with some neat ideas that tries to appeal to both the family/casual crowd and "core" gamers alike but succeeds in doing neither.

Except one main difference is at least the GC wasn't a generation behind hardware-wise... it launched with what was easily the most visually impressive console game of its time (aside from possibly Halo)... Rogue Squadron II. Melee and Pikmin weren't bad on the eyes either.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Soundwave on 12 August 2013
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Same reason most people are -- because Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, Star Fox, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out! Advance Wars, Wave Race, are some of my favorite game franchises period. Y'know like the actual games that built Nintendo's business for over 20+ years. Those ones.

Wii Sports or Wii Fit don't even register in my top 30 favorite Nintendo games, and I'd say that's probably true for a lot of actual Nintendo fans.

I don't give two craps if the Wii would have sold 300 million units, it was a short term bubble that was bound to burst built largely on the backs of an audience that doesn't actually appreciate real games and all it did was encourage most developers to flood the system with bottom-of-the-barrel party/dance/fitness game crap.

I'll take one Resident Evil 4 or even Turok: Dinosaur Hunter over a bazillion Just Dance or Zumba Fitness Party or whatever.

But if you are still a fan of those games, then the Wii couldn't have been as bad as you describe it all the time.


I'm not saying it was bad, I just didn't see any tangiable benefit to us loyal Nintendo fans with the Wii.

Instead of getting a new Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero, etc. those franchises were put on ice and we were given Wii Music/Party/etc. Bleh. We had to beg to get games like Xenoblade. Things like Sin & Punishment didn't sell any better neither did Metroid Prime 3 than they would have on a 30 million userbase of Nintendo fans only.

Now what's done is done. Those casuals are gone. And quite honestly, there was really nothing Nintendo was ever going to do about it. Casuals don't value gaming the same way core gamers do (they simply don't). You can't compete against $1 games and the fashion/trend appeal of smartphones/tablets. Nintendo never had a chance unless the Wii U was going to be some kind of affordable virtual reality simulator that didn't make you look like a nutcase while wearing the glasses.



Arius Dion on 12 August 2013

As a fan of Classic Nintendo, and a lover of the Wii, I must say that the Gamecube was complete and utter trash. Few gems, but mostly a crappy console. With the Wii U, were are seeing exactly what would happen if Nintendo released a Gamecube 2.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Gnac on 12 August 2013
Soundwave said:

us loyal Nintendo fans

Please list some more N64 and Gamecube games you found out about on Wikipedia.



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Anari on 12 August 2013

Hasn't it always been like that from the beginning?

"Wii is competing with PS2, not PS360"

" Wii is for non-gamers. It's not a real gaming console for real/true gamers"



People started making a whole bunch of excuses as soon as Wii started dominating sales, after they all thought it would fail and be crushed by the much more powerful HD consoles.



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DieAppleDie on 12 August 2013

i love Wii sports resort...and Super mario Sunshine more than Galaxy...im a Nintendo fan?
lol you dont decide whos a good or bad fan...youre entitled to your opinion and nothing more



zorg1000 on 12 August 2013
Sounwave said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Same reason most eople are -- because Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, Star Fox, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out! Advance Wars, WaveRace, are some of my favorite game franchises period. Y'know like the actual games that built Nintendo's business for over 20+ years. Those ones.

Wii Sports or Wii Fit don't even register in my top 30 favorite Nintendo games, and I'd say that's probably true for a lot of actual Nintendo fans.

I don't give two craps if the Wii would have sold 300 million units, it was a short term bubble that was bound to burst built largely on the backs of an audience that doesn't actually appreciate real games and all it did was encourage most developers to flood the system with bottom-of-the-barrel party/dance/fitness game crap.

I'll take one Resident Evil 4 or even Turok: Dinosaur Hunter over a bazillion Just Dance or Zumba Fitness Party or whatever.

But if you are still a fan of those games, then the Wii couldn't have been as bad as you describe it all the time.


I'm not saying it was bad, I just didn't see any tangiable benefit to us loyal Nintendo fans with the Wii.

Instead of getting a new Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero, etc. those franchises were put on ice and we were given Wii Music/Party/etc.

Gamecube didnt get Kirby, Donkey Kong or Punch-Out but Wii did, that kinda cancels out ur Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero argument.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Soundwave on 12 August 2013
zorg1000 said:
Sounwave said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Same reason most eople are -- because Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, Star Fox, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out! Advance Wars, WaveRace, are some of my favorite game franchises period. Y'know like the actual games that built Nintendo's business for over 20+ years. Those ones.

Wii Sports or Wii Fit don't even register in my top 30 favorite Nintendo games, and I'd say that's probably true for a lot of actual Nintendo fans.

I don't give two craps if the Wii would have sold 300 million units, it was a short term bubble that was bound to burst built largely on the backs of an audience that doesn't actually appreciate real games and all it did was encourage most developers to flood the system with bottom-of-the-barrel party/dance/fitness game crap.

I'll take one Resident Evil 4 or even Turok: Dinosaur Hunter over a bazillion Just Dance or Zumba Fitness Party or whatever.

But if you are still a fan of those games, then the Wii couldn't have been as bad as you describe it all the time.


I'm not saying it was bad, I just didn't see any tangiable benefit to us loyal Nintendo fans with the Wii.

Instead of getting a new Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero, etc. those franchises were put on ice and we were given Wii Music/Party/etc.

Gamecube didnt get Kirby, Donkey Kong or Punch-Out but Wii did, that kinda cancels out ur Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero argument.

The Wii also had an extra year of life cycle over the GameCube. It should have more games overall.



zorg1000 on 12 August 2013
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
Sounwave said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Same reason most eople are -- because Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, Star Fox, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out! Advance Wars, WaveRace, are some of my favorite game franchises period. Y'know like the actual games that built Nintendo's business for over 20+ years. Those ones.

Wii Sports or Wii Fit don't even register in my top 30 favorite Nintendo games, and I'd say that's probably true for a lot of actual Nintendo fans.

I don't give two craps if the Wii would have sold 300 million units, it was a short term bubble that was bound to burst built largely on the backs of an audience that doesn't actually appreciate real games and all it did was encourage most developers to flood the system with bottom-of-the-barrel party/dance/fitness game crap.

I'll take one Resident Evil 4 or even Turok: Dinosaur Hunter over a bazillion Just Dance or Zumba Fitness Party or whatever.

But if you are still a fan of those games, then the Wii couldn't have been as bad as you describe it all the time.


I'm not saying it was bad, I just didn't see any tangiable benefit to us loyal Nintendo fans with the Wii.

Instead of getting a new Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero, etc. those franchises were put on ice and we were given Wii Music/Party/etc.

Gamecube didnt get Kirby, Donkey Kong or Punch-Out but Wii did, that kinda cancels out ur Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero argument.

The Wii also had an extra year of life cycle over the GameCube. It should have more games overall.

Those games didnt come out in Wii final year so thats kinda irrelevent



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Soundwave on 12 August 2013
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
Sounwave said:
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Same reason most eople are -- because Mario, Mario Kart, DKC, Star Fox, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out! Advance Wars, WaveRace, are some of my favorite game franchises period. Y'know like the actual games that built Nintendo's business for over 20+ years. Those ones.

Wii Sports or Wii Fit don't even register in my top 30 favorite Nintendo games, and I'd say that's probably true for a lot of actual Nintendo fans.

I don't give two craps if the Wii would have sold 300 million units, it was a short term bubble that was bound to burst built largely on the backs of an audience that doesn't actually appreciate real games and all it did was encourage most developers to flood the system with bottom-of-the-barrel party/dance/fitness game crap.

I'll take one Resident Evil 4 or even Turok: Dinosaur Hunter over a bazillion Just Dance or Zumba Fitness Party or whatever.

But if you are still a fan of those games, then the Wii couldn't have been as bad as you describe it all the time.


I'm not saying it was bad, I just didn't see any tangiable benefit to us loyal Nintendo fans with the Wii.

Instead of getting a new Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero, etc. those franchises were put on ice and we were given Wii Music/Party/etc.

Gamecube didnt get Kirby, Donkey Kong or Punch-Out but Wii did, that kinda cancels out ur Star Fox, Wave Race, F-Zero argument.

The Wii also had an extra year of life cycle over the GameCube. It should have more games overall.

Those games didnt come out in Wii final year so thats kinda irrelevent

If you axe 2011 from the Wii as its final year to make it equivalent to the GameCube, then you can cut games like Skyward Sword and Kirby's Return to Dreamland from the Wii list. 

In any case, I don't care that the casuals have abandoned Nintendo. I don't want them back to be honest. The sooner Nintendo really accepts that this casual audience has screwed them over, the better for actual Nintendo fans IMO, because it will mean that Nintendo will have to undertake new initiatives to make the best of what they have now and try to grow that as best as possible.

The reliance on evergreen selling casual blockbusters and the spillover effect of that into the 2D Mario/Mario Kart franchises IMO has made Nintendo a bit lazy. They figured they could cruise through both the Wii U and 3DS launch periods without putting forth the usual effort they do in launching hardware and have been bit in the rear end hard.

I think Nintendo really needed to see Nintendogs + cats and Nintendo Land (and even NSMBU) crash and burn trying to sell the 3DS/Wii U, now deep down the message has been recieved and hopefully they'll never make that mistake again.