I never said the wii u will perform in the exact SAME level of the ps4/xone but of course you would say that since you love puting words on my mouth. the fact is that we don't know the exact specifications for wii u gpu. however we do now it's highly customized and efficient gpu far ahead of what we see on ps360. we know the gpu's on ps4/xone are superior, but not that much. And when we consider the diminishing returns in graphics, we know it would take a much higher difference in order to have a noticeable and relevant graphical jump.

You should start to explain your point better, like i just did with mine, instead of calling others ridiculous. and please use something with more credibility than threads from somoene that starts with nin and ends with ade.

@bolded you tell us that no one but nintendo (and devs) know about the precise specfications of Wiiu's GPU and then proceed to say with great confidence that (even though you dont know as well) its not far off from what is inside PS4/X1. Mind telling me the logic in that? Assuming you are not a dev of course, you are making baseless assumptions (ie wishfull thinking).

bolded: confirmation of the same advanced features that the others have (shaders, directx 11 equivlent...). plus what we have already seen shows how above from ps360 is. thus, it's not much bellow ps4/xone.

I definitely agree that Wiiu is above PS360 in terms of hardware but between them and their respective sucessors there is a BIG gap and i dont know why you seem to pick on the high end of the possibilities (heh, same way that i pick on the low end i guess). So yeah, i will be looking forward to DigitalFoundrys comparisons on the end of the year. One of us will be proven wrong :P (refrain from taking a jab at me on this)

watch dogs and ghosts (was said to be using the next gen engine on wii u) should be a good measure for multiplats. but games like X and mario kart 8, even sonic LW already prove my point.

Indeed we will see how the wiiu fares against the others plataforms qith those titles. About Mario Kart and Sonic, they dont exactly showcase anything aince their graphics style dont have that objective (please dont say they are as good as pixar films). And while x is impressive and beautiful, if you compare it to the division that is also a open world game the difference is massive and stark (and theres been no port for the wiiu announced thus far, even though its Ubisoft - the most supportive thirdy party of nintendo, whichcan be because of hardware issues, key word=> can) on the amount of detail thqt each game has.

bolded: as I said multiple times before, owning the system or not is unrelated to defending it. and again you're ridiculously distorting everything to make it look like I'm forced to have a wii u in order to defend it.

bolded 2: right, in a period where it's sales are irrelevant to future predicitions, thanks to lack of software. if it's gonna pass wii or not, I don't know, but it certainly can. current sales mean nothing.

@bolded you tell us that no one but nintendo (and devs) know about the precise specfications of Wiiu's GPU and then proceed to say with great confidence that (even though you dont know as well) its not far off from what is inside PS4/X1. Mind telling me the logic in that? Assuming you are not a dev of course, you are making baseless assumptions (ie wishfull thinking).

I'm pretty sure ubisoft is waiting for the performance of AC4 and watch dogs on wii u before announcing other games. watch dogs took 8 months to be confirmed on wii u, I can't see why the same won't happen with The division.

PS: X is in a whole different league of  "open world". you can't really compare those landscapes with those "small" city enviroments.