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Forums - Politics - Goverment deems man too fat to live. (In New Zealand.)

Talal said:
blkfish92 said:
Not fair, I was hoping for a funny picture of some omega alpha omni overweight man, but he was 286 pounds which is indeed fat just not omega alpha omni fat.

 

 


You little smart allec you think you can steal my chic do you!? Take this!!

 

 

@EpicRandy, wouldn't that be awesome if he was 3ft tall LOL!



           

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crissindahouse said:
i wouldn't have a problem with that if it would be for people who aren't already there and want to come to nzl but to do that with someone who already lives 6 years there is wrong in my opinion. they should have said that to him 6 years ago but now his weight which is even less as 6 years ago should not be the reason to give him a new visa or not.

On the one hand i see your point...

on the otherhand.  Better medical care is one of the main reasons why people would want to immigrate to a "developed" nation, and a good part of immigration is supposed to serve helping the disaffected from other countries?

Baring those who need the help most from immigration, seems wrong.



Imagine Merika passing something like that O)_(O 67% of is population will have to leave !



NintendoPie said:
Zkuq said:
People, he's still fat. Obese. Weighs too much. You can't say "he's not that fat" because he is fat. He's just not I'm-an-American-fat.

Anyway, sounds a bit unreasonable, considering his loss of weigth lately. That said, 30 kg in six years isn't actually a lot, and he still weighs a lot. For comparison, my girlfriend lost some 50 kg in a year or so before I met her, just by changing her diet. You'd expect this guy to be able to do better when he has six years to do so. Of course someone should have told him he has to get in a better shape, not fair to let someone live in a country for six years and then tell him he can't because he's too fat.

That's the best way to describe people.

How long did it take you to come up with such a great comment?

The bolded part, not long. I just needed something short and extreme to describe very fat people that aren't quite at record levels with their weigth, and that was the first thing I came up with. If you look at statistics, you'll see I'm not even exaggerating, which is exactly the reason I didn't look for a better way to say it for long.



binary solo said:
The dumb thing about this decision is that he's been here since 2007 and arrived at a weight of 160kg, according to the article. So he's been here 6 years, and he's lost 30kg. But because he doesn't have permanent residency and only has an annual work permit he has to apply for a new Visa every year.

I bet what's happened is that he's turned 40 or 45 or something to enter a new age/weight risk category for health assessment as part of the Visa appliction. So whereas his age in 2007 + 160kg was not statistically seen as a health risk for an annual work Visa, now his age + 130kg is statistically a higher health risk disqualifying him from gaining an annual work Visa.

Basing immigration decisions on stats is going to throw up these anomalies from time to time, but the decision isn't just some random out of the blue thing. At least I hope it isn't. Provided decisions are made impartially and consistently you've gotta say fair is fair.

This sounds like the right interpretation. The bureaucrats who run this sort of thing usually make allowances for most circumstances, but sometimes people end up slipping into the wrong category.

Surely this is the sort of thing that could be appealed, especially if the man demonstrated his weight loss and, perhaps, plans to continue doing so.



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MoiseHnkel said:
Imagine Merika passing something like that O)_(O 67% of is population will have to leave !

If you're attempting to be funny, you have failed.

They aren't throwing fat people out of New Zealand, which has plenty of fat people already. They're just keeping fatties from coming over due to their socialized health care system.



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Would it not work if we just taxed unhealthy ingredients in foods? Then consumers and producers would both have incentives to eat healthier.



wfz said:
Would it not work if we just taxed unhealthy ingredients in foods? Then consumers and producers would both have incentives to eat healthier.

denmark tried it with a tax on fat but it failed after only a year or so. you can google it if you are interested in how it worked and why it failed.



wfz said:
Would it not work if we just taxed unhealthy ingredients in foods? Then consumers and producers would both have incentives to eat healthier.

Oh no, communism. In europe was an initiative to clearly mark the amount of fat, sugar, salt and so on contained in food. Naturally that wasn't getting into law in the end, the lobbying against it was immense.



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My thoughts are as follows.

If the state offers a health program it then does have input into admitting people or curbing behaviors toward preventable illness with obesity being number one.

Example: If you want government health care they can tell you "Okay, you are 300 lbs. For your height We need you at 200 lbs. If you can lose 15 lbs a year you can be in the program, failure to do so means you are out."

In this case, I'd admit the man, lay out the ground rules on health services and admittance. If you do not like it can opt out and still immigrate, but your health is on your own dime with an insurance company.