Incubi said: This is how most people whom are'nt message board maniacs will be thinking come this fall: "What entertainment system will give me, my family and close friends the most fun this holiday?" If your answer is not WiiU, I'd say you have no credibility whatsoever. Nintendo will win the holidays 2013 and no amount of posts on whatever message board you spend your life on will change that.

"If your opinion is different than mine, I'd say you have no credibility whatsoever."

prayformojo said: Gamecube said: prayformojo said: The Wii-U is failing, hard. I don't think it's going to get out of third place this generation.

The Wii U is in first place dude!

Playstation 4: 0
Xbox One: 0
Wii U: 3.2 million

Einsam_Delphin said: prayformojo said: Gamecube said: prayformojo said: The Wii-U is failing, hard. I don't think it's going to get out of third place this generation. The Wii U is in first place dude!   Playstation 4: 0 Xbox One: 0 Wii U: 3.2 million

lol :)

WiiU

Why can't there be a PS4/XB1 price cut next year?

Looking at next year these are the "big" games, this is seperating the men from the boys, these are the games likely top 2.5 million in shipments worldwide on "next gen" platforms:

Destiny, Call of Duty Next Gen, Mario Kart 8, Titanfall, Madden NFL Next-Gen, Super Smash Bros. U, Battlefield 5, FIFA Next-Gen, Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V.

That list IMO skews much more heavily towards the XB1/PS4 in terms of potential audience for the "biggest" games and we really don't know what Sony/MS have in store for 2014 so much (Uncharted 4? Gears?).
 

Soundwave said: Why can't there be a PS4/XB1 price cut next year?

Microsoft/Sony Fans: "Because they will sell so well they wont need one!"

Nintendo Fans: "Because that would make our price advantage argument invalid!"

Personally I fully expect the Xbox One and Wii U to drop by $100 next year. I heard Sony lost craptons of money during their early PS3 price cut/remodel shenanigans, so I don't think they'll wanna drop the price if they don't absolutely have to. Maybe a $50 cut at the most.

Soundwave said: Looking at next year these are the "big" games, this is seperating the men from the boys, these are the games likely top 2.5 million in shipments worldwide on "next gen" platforms: Destiny, Call of Duty Next Gen, Mario Kart 8, Titanfall, Madden NFL Next-Gen, Super Smash Bros. U, Battlefield 5, FIFA Next-Gen, Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V. That list IMO skews much more heavily towards the XB1/PS4 in terms of potential audience for the "biggest" games and we really don't know what Sony/MS have in store for 2014 so much (Uncharted 4? Gears?).

You keep bringing up these PS4/XO titles, I keep asking how many of those are exclusive and confirmed to be released next year, you keep ignoring me. D:
Nintendo will have more for next year also. I fully expect Zelda U to be a holiday title, and we might get stuff like Wii U Sports and Mario Party 10.

Einsam_Delphin said: Soundwave said: Looking at next year these are the "big" games, this is seperating the men from the boys, these are the games likely top 2.5 million in shipments worldwide on "next gen" platforms: Destiny, Call of Duty Next Gen, Mario Kart 8, Titanfall, Madden NFL Next-Gen, Super Smash Bros. U, Battlefield 5, FIFA Next-Gen, Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V. That list IMO skews much more heavily towards the XB1/PS4 in terms of potential audience for the "biggest" games and we really don't know what Sony/MS have in store for 2014 so much (Uncharted 4? Gears?).   You keep bringing up these PS4/XO titles, I keep asking how many of those are exclusive and confirmed to be released next year, you keep ignoring me. D: Nintendo will have more for next year also. I fully expect Zelda U to be a holiday title, and we might get stuff like Wii U Sports and Mario Party 10.

They don't have to be exclusive, the XB1/PS4 have the bonus of having the best versions of these games. Call of Duty wasn't exclusive to XBox 360, but it sold a bazillion XBoxes.

The problem with Nintendo is I think at some point their franchises hit a saturation where they lose selling power. For instance the person buying Mario 3D World likely is a fan of Mario Kart too. And the Mario Kart fan is probably a fan of Smash Brothers. There's a lot of overlap between Nintendo's biggest franchises which mitigates their sales power. 

Nintendo needs something new to break out and sell to audiences that aren't willing to buy a console just for the same 4-5 franchises.

Sony/MS don't have this problem because they basically tailor their platforms to the wide development community. So one person can buy a XB1, maybe they don't give a crap about Call of Duty or Halo at all. Maybe they like FIFA and on the side a little Final Fantasy. This tends not to be the case with Nintendo consoles.

You really have to not be able to live without Mario games or Nintendo has to have a new Wii Sports like phenomenon to bring in other people. Otherwise the audience for say Smash Bros. U and Mario Kart 8 and Mario Party 10 and Yoshi's Yarn is probably a lot of the same people. Nintendo needs more diversity in their lineup.

From a marketing/demographic perspective too I think the Wii U is pretty much a disaster. They somehow managed to make a console that doesn't satisfy hardcore players and doesn't interest casual players either. So I think just on that basis, Nintendo can throw all their franchises at this platform that they want, to me it's just conceptually flawed to begin with and isn't going to find success with a wide audience.

Soundwave said: Einsam_Delphin said: Soundwave said: Looking at next year these are the "big" games, this is seperating the men from the boys, these are the games likely top 2.5 million in shipments worldwide on "next gen" platforms: Destiny, Call of Duty Next Gen, Mario Kart 8, Titanfall, Madden NFL Next-Gen, Super Smash Bros. U, Battlefield 5, FIFA Next-Gen, Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V. That list IMO skews much more heavily towards the XB1/PS4 in terms of potential audience for the "biggest" games and we really don't know what Sony/MS have in store for 2014 so much (Uncharted 4? Gears?).   You keep bringing up these PS4/XO titles, I keep asking how many of those are exclusive and confirmed to be released next year, you keep ignoring me. D: Nintendo will have more for next year also. I fully expect Zelda U to be a holiday title, and we might get stuff like Wii U Sports and Mario Party 10. They don't have to be exclusive, the XB1/PS4 have the bonus of having the best versions of these games. Call of Duty wasn't exclusive to XBox 360, but it sold a bazillion XBoxes. The problem with Nintendo is I think at some point their franchises hit a saturation where they lose selling power. For instance the person buying Mario 3D World likely is a fan of Mario Kart too. And the Mario Kart fan is probably a fan of Smash Brothers. There's a lot of overlap between Nintendo's biggest franchises which mitigates their sales power.  Nintendo needs something new to break out and sell to audiences that aren't willing to buy a console just for the same 4-5 franchises. Sony/MS don't have this problem because they basically tailor their platforms to the wide development community. So one person can buy a XB1, maybe they don't give a crap about Call of Duty or Halo at all. Maybe they like FIFA and on the side a little Final Fantasy. This tends not to be the case with Nintendo consoles. You really have to not be able to live without Mario games or Nintendo has to have a new Wii Sports like phenomenon to bring in other people. Otherwise the audience for say Smash Bros. U and Mario Kart 8 and Mario Party 10 and Yoshi's Yarn is probably a lot of the same people. From a marketing/demographic perspective too I think the Wii U is pretty much a disaster. They somehow managed to make a console that doesn't satisfy hardcore players and doesn't interest casual players either. So I think just on that basis, Nintendo can throw all their franchises at this platform that they want, to me it's just conceptually flawed to begin with and isn't going to find success with a wide audience.

This doesn't seem to be the case going by their previous systems and how every significant Nintendo release boosts hardware sales no matter how successful that console is overall. This I believe is because people (non-forumers) aren't really fans of the companys but are fans of the games themselves. I bet if Microsoft was making SM3DW, it would sell the same as it would otherwise. And of course there's overlap! Very few buy a console solely for one game. We're already seeing prood of that with NSMBU. And of course the Wii U isn't satisfying anyone right now! It's current library is just atrocious! Practically nothing for Casuals, and hardcores already have a majority of the Wii Us library on other systems. This will be rectified by next year though. X/Smash/Bayo 2/etc. for hardcores, Wii Fit/Mario & Sonic/Wii Party/etc. for casuals, and Mario Kart/Yoshi/DKC/etc. for everyones. I'll definitely be getting a Wii U by the end of next year! ^_^

Soundwave said: Why can't there be a PS4/XB1 price cut next year? Looking at next year these are the "big" games, this is seperating the men from the boys, these are the games likely top 2.5 million in shipments worldwide on "next gen" platforms: Destiny, Call of Duty Next Gen, Mario Kart 8, Titanfall, Madden NFL Next-Gen, Super Smash Bros. U, Battlefield 5, FIFA Next-Gen, Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V. That list IMO skews much more heavily towards the XB1/PS4 in terms of potential audience for the "biggest" games and we really don't know what Sony/MS have in store for 2014 so much (Uncharted 4? Gears?).

Nobody said they couldnt get a price cut, One could very well try to match price with PS4, although I dont personally think eother will do a price cut next year. As for the games u listed, most are on current consoles, I have a hard time seeing a ton of people spending $400-500 to get a console for the games they already have access to even if they are better versions. Once PS360 support slows down as well as price, I see then doing great numbers. Also ur last sentence implies that Wii U has no big unannounced games coming for next year.