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Forums - Politics - Trayvon Martin not an innocent kid! George Zimmerman not a racist!

S.T.A.G.E. on 26 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Trayvon and Zimmerman are both not saints. Zimmerman has a past with cops, so I don't know why certain people are trying to fight for one side or the other. Zimmerman has been in trouble for provoking cops before, so what, one could say he's an instigator based on that. Truthfully, no one knows what happens and the only testimony we had was Zimmermans, so basically that case was a stalemate any way you slice it. It's a tall order to be able to prove second degree murder without witnesses.


Provoking cops? lol hilarious... you mean the cop harrassing his friend at a bar legally without identifying himself and GZ didnt know what was going on and pushed the guy off his friend. The charges were dropped for good reason. He would have been found not guilty for that as well

 

Look at you getting offended. You're really invested into proving the guy is squeaky clean aren't you?



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arcane_chaos on 26 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
arcane_chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
arcane_chaos said:


woah why don't you bring you tone down, and exactly where are you getting you information? like I said before, were you apart of the defense/prosectution/jurors? if not then YOU'RE IN THE SAME BOAT I AM, and it's not the like the entire media was against him we can turn to fox who Mr. Zimmerman was interviewed by Sean Hannity and multiple channels like MSNBC/ABC/CNN/HLN had both defense and prosecution lawyers giving a a look at both sides, you yourself are being very hypocritical with you own assesment of the news.

I'm getting my info from following the case all year unlike most who are commenting. Ya know? research. And actually watching the trial. I'm in no where the same boat as most people. I actually present facts... Ya know? like the autopsy report

and what's makes your input about the case greater than anyone else in the thread? I watched the trial as well and it seems we came to different conclusions, just because one thinks differently of the facts doesn't mean they don't have all the facts(as you claimed to me earlier) unless you're some omnipotent being you have know way of knowing how they came to their conclusion; for all you know they were following the same information you got.

I respect your opinion and I'll decide to end this conversation here; good day(or good night)



You obviously dont have all the facts. You said Zimmerman was slightly racist even though everything about his past contradicts that. He helped a black homeless man who was abused by a police officer. He mentored low income (aka mostly black) families. Someone also told me he took a black girl to the prom but I havent read that anywhere. He also called the police 46 times in 8 years (less than 1 every 2 months) and the prosecutors could only find 5 calls that he mentions the person being black with one of those as "I'm not sure... he might be black" concerning trayvon


yes, because you were their that night and saw all that transpired .. look me and opinions differ, holy shit! someone calls the cops! we can debate this all night and niether of us will change our opinions, the facts that we claim(but appearently my facts don't matter/wrong/not complete?) like I said before Good day/Good Night



Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Max King of the Wild said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Trayvon and Zimmerman are both not saints. Zimmerman has a past with cops, so I don't know why certain people are trying to fight for one side or the other. Zimmerman has been in trouble for provoking cops before, so what, one could say he's an instigator based on that. Truthfully, no one knows what happens and the only testimony we had was Zimmermans, so basically that case was a stalemate any way you slice it. It's a tall order to be able to prove second degree murder without witnesses.


Provoking cops? lol hilarious... you mean the cop harrassing his friend at a bar legally without identifying himself and GZ didnt know what was going on and pushed the guy off his friend. The charges were dropped for good reason. He would have been found not guilty for that as well

 

Look at you getting offended. You're really invested into proving the guy is squeaky clean aren't you?

More like trying to prove people are pulling "facts" out of their ass and really have no clue what they are talking about



Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
keroncoward said:

Its common sense Trayvon was beating his ass and i even said that in my post above yours. What i am argueing is that TM probably did not start the altercation because he had no reason or incentive to. The only thing they went by pertaining to TM starting the altercation was GZ statement. TM could not give his side of the story because he was dead in the grass.  Reguardless of what you want to believe TM was on his way home and was being followed by a guy with a gun. Is it manslaughter? yes......why because one man killed a kid....simple concept.

Paranoia and being a thug is plenty incentive. However, what incentive did GZ have? None. He knew the cops were on their way. Wouldn't make sense to start a fight. If he did start it you would think it would have happened in a different location considering GZ was behgind him but it didnt. If it had happened you would expect marks on trayvon. But there werent. Im sure the cops and MEs are trained to look for other things as well.



Wagram on 26 July 2013

What makes this case so special? Bad shit happens every day and no one turns a blind eye.



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Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
Wagram said:
What makes this case so special? Bad shit happens every day and no one turns a blind eye.



Race baiters. ABC edited the 911 call  and reported that GZ said "fucking coons" under his breath to make him sound racist. The mother made some noise to get it noticed because she couldn't believe her little angel started a fight that ended his life even though she kicked him out of her house and thats why he was staying with his dad.



nightsurge on 26 July 2013

Thank you Max King of the Wild. So many people are ignorant of the facts, it's insane! You have provided the additional evidence to support TM was likely high on his "skittles and Arizona Tea and Cough Syrup" or at least had been abusing it recently. You seem to be one of the few people making logical statements based on the facts in the case and not the media's emotional/racial portrayal of it.

Bravo to you, sir :)



NintendoPie on 26 July 2013

People need to stop with "If Martin did this" or, "If Zimmerman did that." Seriously, stop. What is done is done. Your 'if's, 'and's, or 'but's aren't needed.

With that said, I feel that Zimmerman is not racist. Media just really tried to make it a Race VS. Race issue, and it wasn't.



Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
nightsurge said:
Thank you Max King of the Wild. So many people are ignorant of the facts, it's insane! You have provided the additional evidence to support TM was likely high on his "skittles and Arizona Tea and Cough Syrup" or at least had been abusing it recently. You seem to be one of the few people making logical statements based on the facts in the case and not the media's emotional/racial portrayal of it.

Bravo to you, sir :)

Yup. Ive been following it since it happened. My mom was one of the ones who flipped out and said he was a racist murderous bastard killing an innocent unarmed kid. So I was following it just to push her buttons because of how ridiculous she gets with things like this. She actually started trying to punch me in the balls just because I was talking about trial as it was happening. She didn't want to hear anything about it. If someone wants to try to provide evidence to the contrary then I will listen to them but when they use the words "Innocent, kid, black, unarmed, or stalking" its obvious they have bought into the media bullshit because those are factually incorrect claims. So far I havent found one person who thinks Zimmerman should have been found guilty make an argument without those claims.



Chris Hu on 26 July 2013
nightsurge said:
Thank you Max King of the Wild. So many people are ignorant of the facts, it's insane! You have provided the additional evidence to support TM was likely high on his "skittles and Arizona Tea and Cough Syrup" or at least had been abusing it recently. You seem to be one of the few people making logical statements based on the facts in the case and not the media's emotional/racial portrayal of it.

Bravo to you, sir :)


You need to some more research Skittles and Watermelon flavored Arizona drink aren't key ingredients.  "Purple Drank" "Lean" or "Sizzurp" is made with Jolly Ranchers and Sprite or Mountain Dew and cough syrup.