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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trayvon Martin not an innocent kid! George Zimmerman not a racist!

Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
keroncoward said:


I made a mistake and was corrected. I already specified what i meant and you would realize that if your mouse had a scroll button. 

LOL!!! It was a mistake that if you had the facts wouldn't have been made.



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keroncoward on 26 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
keroncoward said:


I made a mistake and was corrected. I already specified what i meant and you would realize that if your mouse had a scroll button. 

LOL!!! It was a mistake that if you had the facts wouldn't have been made.


Dude go do something productive with your life. No one cares if you think you do everything perfect. 



nightsurge on 26 July 2013
arcane_chaos said:
nightsurge said:
arcane_chaos said:
yes we know Trayvon Martin isn't a saint, but what people are saying is what exactly did he do that night to be followed? then a fight beaking out and then being shot then killed? all he did that night before the confrontation was buy skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea and was on his way home to see the NBA All-Star game.

as for Gorge Zimmerman; I wouldn't call him a full blown "go back to africa" rascist" but I think his judgement greatly had some racial tendencies(which we all have) we have GZ on tape calling him a "F***ing Punk" "A**hole" "They" always get away with it"


Apparently skittles, Arizona tea, and cough syrup are ingredients to a codine high substance called "Lean"? Also was proven that Martin had bragged about the concoction before and may have been doped up that night which lead to his confrontation.

I don't think any of that was in the autopsy...and again the really doesn't answer the question I asked, exactly what harm(or potential harm) was Trayvon doing to Mr, Zimmerman or the nieghborhood(which he was apart of) to warrant him to get out and pursue; against the advice of the 911 operator.

I'm fairly certain the reports were that he was still by his car when Trayvon jumped him and started beating him up.

Where are you getting the notion that Zimmerman followed him? That was all portrayed by the prosecution but was pure speculation for the most part.



nightsurge on 26 July 2013
Mr Khan said:
nightsurge said:

Apparently skittles, Arizona tea, and cough syrup are ingredients to a codine high substance called "Lean"? Also was proven that Martin had bragged about the concoction before and may have been doped up that night which lead to his confrontation.

Wouldn't an autopsy have proven that? Or even, likely, a cursory examination of the body.

You're rather reaching, here.

I didn't get all the details on the autopsy, but the only part I was reaching was that he may have been on the substance that night. Still says a lot about the kid if we was doing the stuff at all and promoting it online.



Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
keroncoward said:


They were screwed from the start. The police never even charged Zimmerman. You think they would even co operate properly with the prosecutor and admit they were not doing their job properly? We all heard the 911 tapes with him disobeying the dispatcher's instructions to stay put then whispering to himself "they always get away". There was enough evidence to charge him with manslaughter (heck a kid got stalked and died). 

Again spewing lies and misinformation.



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Max King of the Wild on 26 July 2013
nightsurge said:
Mr Khan said:
nightsurge said:

Apparently skittles, Arizona tea, and cough syrup are ingredients to a codine high substance called "Lean"? Also was proven that Martin had bragged about the concoction before and may have been doped up that night which lead to his confrontation.

Wouldn't an autopsy have proven that? Or even, likely, a cursory examination of the body.

You're rather reaching, here.

I didn't get all the details on the autopsy, but the only part I was reaching was that he may have been on the substance that night. Still says a lot about the kid if we was doing the stuff at all and promoting it online.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf

http://www.livestrong.com/article/251021-what-causes-fatty-metamorphosis-of-the-liver/



arcane_chaos on 26 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
arcane_chaos said:
 

I don't think any of that was in the autopsy...and again the really doesn't answer the question I asked, exactly what harm(or potential harm) was Trayvon doing to Mr, Zimmerman or the nieghborhood(which he was apart of) to warrant him to get out and pursue; against the advice of the 911 operator.

Again, someone without facts commenting on this... he didn't pursue against the advice of 911 operator. the operator was asking questions like "do you know where he is now?" and zimmerman started to follow him. When the operator said "we don't need you to do that" zimmerman said "okay" then the operator asked "do you want to meet with the officer" and zimmerman said "yes have him call me and I will tell him where I am."

and excactly how is that not agianst the advice given by the 911 operator? she(I believe it was a she) said we don't need to to do that; following Travyon and he does it anyway, the juror who spoke to ABC said the exact same thing...I guess it a matter of how you interpret it/

 

and not to be snarky but really, someone without the facts? were you apart of the Prosecution/Defense team or a Juror who hasn't come out yet? unless you got the evidence first-hand then your in the same boat I am.



keroncoward on 26 July 2013
nightsurge said:
arcane_chaos said:
nightsurge said:
arcane_chaos said:
yes we know Trayvon Martin isn't a saint, but what people are saying is what exactly did he do that night to be followed? then a fight beaking out and then being shot then killed? all he did that night before the confrontation was buy skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea and was on his way home to see the NBA All-Star game.

as for Gorge Zimmerman; I wouldn't call him a full blown "go back to africa" rascist" but I think his judgement greatly had some racial tendencies(which we all have) we have GZ on tape calling him a "F***ing Punk" "A**hole" "They" always get away with it"


Apparently skittles, Arizona tea, and cough syrup are ingredients to a codine high substance called "Lean"? Also was proven that Martin had bragged about the concoction before and may have been doped up that night which lead to his confrontation.

I don't think any of that was in the autopsy...and again the really doesn't answer the question I asked, exactly what harm(or potential harm) was Trayvon doing to Mr, Zimmerman or the nieghborhood(which he was apart of) to warrant him to get out and pursue; against the advice of the 911 operator.

I'm fairly certain the reports were that he was still by his car when Trayvon jumped him and started beating him up.

Where are you getting the notion that Zimmerman followed him? That was all portrayed by the prosecution but was pure speculation for the most part.


Really? As soon as he turned around he suddenly got attacked by a guy he has been looking at for a while? What a coincidence as soon as he lose sight of trayvon he was attacked. Lets not forget him saying to himself "they always get away". Also i wonder who was screaming for help? The guy with the gun that claimed his head was getting bashed on the ground? (hard to scream constantly when youre head is getting repeatedly bashed) or the guy that was being stalked on his way to his father's house. A kid with a violent past got stalked and killed by a rent a cop with a shady and violent past.



DD_Bwest on 26 July 2013
keroncoward said:
DD_Bwest said:
 


how can you call a goverment attorney low budget? It was a special prosecuter brought in specifically for this, and they spent loads of time effort to keep lots of facts about martin out of the trial..   and it wasnt that he was unprepared, it was that it was a crappy witness who not matter what you asked would have helped the defense.  Plus they have to keep the questions in line with what is admissable in court.


They were screwed from the start. The police never even charged Zimmerman. You think they would even co operate properly with the prosecutor and admit they were not doing their job properly? We all heard the 911 tapes with him disobeying the dispatcher's instructions to stay put then whispering to himself "they always get away". There was enough evidence to charge him with manslaughter (heck a kid got stalked and died). 

wow you need to go back and look at how the evidence in the trial got handled.  Zimmermans defense didnt get vast portions of it until just before the trial, and had to send requests over and over for it.  The entire way they got the run around and the judge allowed character information about zimmerman, but said anything about TM was off limits.  He was getting off via appeal no matter what for how bias the judge was.  There was no evidence at all that shows zimmerman starting the altercation.  The 911 operator didnt say stay in,they said "we dont need you to" as he was already out of the damn car.  and by "they always get away"  was the string of burglaries that no one was caught for.  The cops never charged him because when they arrived on scene they used their experience and training to determine it was self defense.

lets go through step by step,   TM walks home from the store. Not a crime.  GZ sees him and thinks is suspicious so calls police. Not a crime.  GZ gets out of the car to give police more information. Not a crime.  TM attacks GZ and smashes his skull into a concrete side walk.  This is aggravated assualt.  GZ shoots TM.  Thats called self defense.

TM wasnt some young kid, he was an aging teenager.  and When i was an aging teenager, i know i hell of alot of kids at school who would attack someone older.  he was taller then GZ and in better shape, and had bragged about being a good fighter.  GZ's personal trainer called GZ a little bitch



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keroncoward on 26 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
keroncoward said:


They were screwed from the start. The police never even charged Zimmerman. You think they would even co operate properly with the prosecutor and admit they were not doing their job properly? We all heard the 911 tapes with him disobeying the dispatcher's instructions to stay put then whispering to himself "they always get away". There was enough evidence to charge him with manslaughter (heck a kid got stalked and died). 

Again spewing lies and misinformation.


Please tell me the misinformation and lies. I find it strange you make that statement without going into further details. Its like me telling you stop telling lies and not being specific as to what i lied about.