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HikenNoAce on 24 July 2013
wilco said:

Yeah, he saved them by punching Faora in the face. When I talk about saving I mean actually helping out people without violence like Superman has often been known to do in the past.


I agree that the Terra Forming machine did most of the damage... and thats my complaint. The writers shouldn't have had such a destructive force in this first movie. There is  a disconnect because after all the ridiculous amounts of property damage and lives lost, the movie trys to end on this upbeat happy note, and it just feels wrong. The movie would have actually been better off and more believable if there was no terraforming machine or atleast if they toned down its destructive force a little.


Hey, who cares if millions of people died? At least Superman got to make out with Lois Lane, right?



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Kaizar on 24 July 2013
Angelus said:
spurgeonryan said:
This is his first time being Superman. He just learned to fly, he is battling beings who are just as strong as him, despite Earths Atmosphere. I think he totally would do this. Especially since he literally had no choice.

Hardcore fans never can enjoy super hero movies for what they are.


Yes, there's that, and I completely agree.

I'm just saying, it looks to me like even the experienced, "ideal" comic superman deals in a fair bit of reckless chaos

Gotta agree with you 2.

Superman couldn't even fly the first time he wears the suit, and he really put a lot of effort for his second try.



attaboy on 24 July 2013
wilco said:
deskpro2k3 said:
wilco said:
Supermans recklessness is not really the issue. The movie is just too excessive with the damage that is done to metropolis. Its just disaster porn at its worst.

I'm completely fine with Superman punching people into buildings and doing millions in property damage, but usually even in the cartoons, you don't get the sense that much collateral damage is being done. Even in Avengers, a couple buildings got smashed up, but you could walk away from that movie believing that the bodycount was relatively low. In MoS, there is noway that 1000's of people didn't die. Thats just depressing.

One thing that could have remedied this is if we would have seen atleast a couple scenes of superman actually... you know... being a superhero. Save a couple people from falling debris, rescue some people from falling off a building... etc. We never got that, all superman did was punch people in the face.

 

He saved the soldiers in the helicopter from Faora.

The Terra forming machine is what did the most damage. Not Superman fighting. Even the US Army did some damge.


Yeah, he saved them by punching Faora in the face. When I talk about saving I mean actually helping out people without violence like Superman has often been known to do in the past.


I agree that the Terra Forming machine did most of the damage... and thats my complaint. The writers shouldn't have had such a destructive force in this first movie. There is  a disconnect because after all the ridiculous amounts of property damage and lives lost, the movie trys to end on this upbeat happy note, and it just feels wrong. The movie would have actually been better off and more believable if there was no terraforming machine or atleast if they toned down its destructive force a little.

Like how he saved those people on that oil rig or how he saved those kids on the bus?  Or, like the guy before said, how he stopped in the middle of the fight and saved those guys in the crashing helicopter?  Or Lois when she was falling?



attaboy on 24 July 2013
wilco said:
Supermans recklessness is not really the issue. The movie is just too excessive with the damage that is done to metropolis. Its just disaster porn at its worst.

I'm completely fine with Superman punching people into buildings and doing millions in property damage, but usually even in the cartoons, you don't get the sense that much collateral damage is being done. Even in Avengers, a couple buildings got smashed up, but you could walk away from that movie believing that the bodycount was relatively low. In MoS, there is noway that 1000's of people didn't die. Thats just depressing.

One thing that could have remedied this is if we would have seen atleast a couple scenes of superman actually... you know... being a superhero. Save a couple people from falling debris, rescue some people from falling off a building... etc. We never got that, all superman did was punch people in the face.


Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq3AO6FWw3o



HikenNoAce on 24 July 2013

If I had to nitpick I would say why isn't his suit blue?



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wilco on 24 July 2013
attaboy said:
wilco said:
deskpro2k3 said:
wilco said:
Supermans recklessness is not really the issue. The movie is just too excessive with the damage that is done to metropolis. Its just disaster porn at its worst.

I'm completely fine with Superman punching people into buildings and doing millions in property damage, but usually even in the cartoons, you don't get the sense that much collateral damage is being done. Even in Avengers, a couple buildings got smashed up, but you could walk away from that movie believing that the bodycount was relatively low. In MoS, there is noway that 1000's of people didn't die. Thats just depressing.

One thing that could have remedied this is if we would have seen atleast a couple scenes of superman actually... you know... being a superhero. Save a couple people from falling debris, rescue some people from falling off a building... etc. We never got that, all superman did was punch people in the face.

 

He saved the soldiers in the helicopter from Faora.

The Terra forming machine is what did the most damage. Not Superman fighting. Even the US Army did some damge.


Yeah, he saved them by punching Faora in the face. When I talk about saving I mean actually helping out people without violence like Superman has often been known to do in the past.


I agree that the Terra Forming machine did most of the damage... and thats my complaint. The writers shouldn't have had such a destructive force in this first movie. There is  a disconnect because after all the ridiculous amounts of property damage and lives lost, the movie trys to end on this upbeat happy note, and it just feels wrong. The movie would have actually been better off and more believable if there was no terraforming machine or atleast if they toned down its destructive force a little.

Like how he saved those people on that oil rig or how he saved those kids on the bus?  Or, like the guy before said, how he stopped in the middle of the fight and saved those guys in the crashing helicopter?  Or Lois when she was falling?

He wasn't superman yet in your first two examples, and besides I'm talking about in the midst of the huge city wide destruction. That is when I wanted to see him save people to offset the incredible amount of carnage that he was partaking in. Already explained why the crashing helicopter is not a good example. And saving lois lane is once again not what I'm talking about. He needed to be shown saving regular civilians (extras) during all this mass destruction.

For example... in a much better choreographed fight scene from spiderman 2, spiderman is frequently breaking off from the fight to save random civilians that Doc Ock is putting in danger. This adds a greater level of suspense and nice action beats to the fight that the superman zod punchfest was lacking.



wilco on 24 July 2013
attaboy said:
wilco said:
Supermans recklessness is not really the issue. The movie is just too excessive with the damage that is done to metropolis. Its just disaster porn at its worst.

I'm completely fine with Superman punching people into buildings and doing millions in property damage, but usually even in the cartoons, you don't get the sense that much collateral damage is being done. Even in Avengers, a couple buildings got smashed up, but you could walk away from that movie believing that the bodycount was relatively low. In MoS, there is noway that 1000's of people didn't die. Thats just depressing.

One thing that could have remedied this is if we would have seen atleast a couple scenes of superman actually... you know... being a superhero. Save a couple people from falling debris, rescue some people from falling off a building... etc. We never got that, all superman did was punch people in the face.


Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq3AO6FWw3o


Yes I've seen that clip. It proves my point.

The property damage in that clip absolutely PALES in comparison to MoS. They knocked down one measily building there. MoS damn near destroys the entire city.

Again, I never said I had a problem with superman doing property damage. Pretty much all superpowered heros do that. I just think the amount of property damage and innocent lives being destroyed in MoS was WAAAAAY over the top. It got downright obnoxious after a while, to the point that I was numb to it. Its never good when an entire city block being leveled feels boring.



HikenNoAce on 24 July 2013

Also, who likes to watch a movie where the superhero is a complete douche?



Cobretti2 on 24 July 2013
HikenNoAce said:
Cobretti2 said:
attaboy said:
I think the Jor-El ship thingy was just an AI based on Jor-El's personality. That's why it was able to "think".

Actually if an AI is connected to a ship don't people think that he is connected to all the sensors on the ship so being able to tell where people are wouldn't be that hard.


That doesn't explain that the AI would not in which direction the bad guy would punch.


The punch happend like a second after he said it, he even punched through him, so he already knew the direction the punch was coming from and going to.

Seriously even if this isn't the case this isn't the biggest problem with the movie as that could be somewhat believable.

 

Bigger problems was stuff like:

- Jonathan Kent tornado scene like wtf was that crap with the hand out lol.

- Superman saying corny lines during scenes that you don't need/want him to act i.e. "You thinkg you can threaten my mother"  but being silent where yuo would think he should say something.

- Louise Lane so boring surely they could have found a better actress.

- Perry White, why was he a black actor? I know america has some stupid thing about having one black guy in a moving playing a main role but this is just stupid. Only reason I say that is because people on these forums say white people shouldn't be allowed to play black roles  as it would change the personality of the person so same deal here. 

 

Overall I di not expect this movie to be great knowing it be int he style of batman trilogy. So jsut like Batman Begins this was average and it will get better for the sequels. 



 

 

Kaizar on 24 July 2013
HikenNoAce said:
If I had to nitpick I would say why isn't his suit blue?


It is blue.