Phantasy Star Online 2 should be on this list, well if you're in Japan or import it

I mean arcade games. So far I have yet to play an arcade game with a decent plot, and I have never played a proper, full length JRPG as an Arcade game.

Journey looks good though, I might get that retail.

I just don't feel the level of quality is the same as in full priced games, so I don't care if I own retail copies. However when it's a full length game I enjoy, I like to own it. Having it on PSN doesn't make me feel like I own it.

Ok, so it's a perception thing. I understand your thoughts now.

No it's not. I don't even see why you would even say that. You might not like replaying very old games, but a lot of people do. It doesn't matter if you've beat a game. I beat Tomba in 1997 and played it and beat it again a few days ago. It felt fucking awesome. I didn't remember most of the events that happen and the few things that I did remember made me very nostalgic. Of course you can play Tomba on ps3 (but it looks terrible) and psp (not as good as on vita, but still pretty good).

The games available on psvita (non ports) are pretty darn awesome and I'm not surprised you say that, since you don't have one. But still calling it a waste is a very strong statement and I would avoid it if I were you in the future. It's a result of ignorance, since you haven't played most of them if any. That's why you don't see me calling WiiU a waste, as I've only played one game (Rayman Legends) on it at my local HMV. Since I don't own one and don't know enough about its exclusives, not only am I not calling it a waste, but I don't comment negatively on positive threads about WiiU, especially considering my limited knowledge of its value.

I love replaying old games, but why would you pay $250 for a console, only to buy the game again? Seems redundant, why not just beat the version you already own?

What games on Vita aren't ports? Uncharted, Gravity Rush, Resistance, Unit 13? Not much....

Of course I don't have a Vita, I have a PSP, it's much better. Ignorance? LOL No it's counting, PSV doesn't even have a single exclusive JRPG.. and it's biggest original games are washed down PS3 franchises. PSP had Crisis Core, Jeanne D'Ark, The 3rd Birthday etc. It didn't rely on Grand Theft Auto and God of War, like PSV relies on Uncharted and Killzone.

So tell me, why own a Vita if you already have the ports, and if you have a PS3? All Vita is is a second PS3 that's more limited, but portable. ATM you're paying a lot of money to play the exact same games you own (if your primary reasons are ports and PS3 multiplat games). This to me seems like a waste, and judging from its sales, most agree with me.

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Look, I don't mean to spoil the party, clearly people who like the PSV love it. I'm just giving my 2 cents. The OP gave a list of games, and said "this is why you should have a PSVita." The title clearly is telling me that I should have a PSV, and I'm just saying I don't because the lineup is all ports or downgraded PS3 games.

If someone made a thread saying "You should own a Wii U" then you can go in and say what you like, it's a public forum.

PSP had the exact same problem early in its life too, but then it got some good games. I'm really disappointed in Vita because it  doesn't have well any major unique games coming out. God Eater 2 is also coming out to PSP (at least in Japan), and....then there is nothing.

I don't understand what you mean? I like owning physical copies of games, not digital. Makes a world of difference because overtime they do become valuable, and if I don't like it I can sell it.

It's not perceptual, it's a system of value. Retail games have value, digital games do not.

I wouldn't call myself PS "fan", but I've been consistent with PS consoles. I owned a PSP and I've bought several games digitally, I own PS3 and I also bought several PS One classics on it. So I can't say that I got PSV to play those games on it, but I'm glad that I get more value from my previous purchases. Even though I prefer retail copies (I'm a collector), I buy quite a lot of digital games on Vita. So many great sales of PSP, PS One and PSN games. It's hard to say no when you can get them for less than 2,99€. 

Anyway... Playing PSP games and PS One games on Vita works remarkably well. Thx to Vita's screen games look great, PSP games that suffered from performance issues (slowdowns) don't have that problems on Vita, and on Vita you can assign controls to 2nd analog stick, so games like Monster Hunter Freedom Unite becames more enjoyable when you actually can rotate camera with 2nd stick... And in "really" old PS One games that didn't feature analog sticks, you can without any issues assign controls to analog stick. (Crash Bandicoot I'm looking at you).

There are many games that aren't ports. To the once you mentioned I can freely add LBP Vita, ModNation Racers, Dynasty Warrior Next, Reality Fighters, Everybody Golf 6, WipeOut 2048, Soul Sacrifice... upcoming Tearaway, Freedom Wars, Toukiden, KZ: Mercenery, God Eater 2...

And NO... PSP is no way better than Vita. How can it be? Vita can do everything it does, does it better and does so much more at same time as well. Why are you so caught up on "exclusive" JRPG's? Don't you see that Japanese have moved to hunting games. Sure I would like to see some exclusive JRPG's, hell I would like to see Tales games localized... but it's still soon in Vita's life... Hell, even the games you mentioned were released Jeanne D'Ark in 2006, Crisis Core in 2007, 3rd BDay in 2010... and PSP was released in 2004/05. And actually PSP did rely on GTA and GT and MGS at least in west. The crowd that enjoys games that start with J in west is more of a niche.

How is exactly PSV "more limited"? I can play Sly 4, NFS MW, PSABR, MK, Rayman Origins... that offer same experiance on Vita as on PS3, while being able to play them anywhere I want. The only part of the games that gets "adjusted" is the level of visual detail. But for the games that you play on a very vibrant 5'' screen, that really isn't an issue. Vita doesn't need to sell 100 million consoles to be successful, actually with small user base that it now has it's actually doing quite well. And buying Vita so you can enjoy multiplats, is not a bad thing. Can you play your PS3 when you're using public transportation, when you're on plane or vacationing? NO you can't, but I can :P

Vita is still early in it's life, and I have high hopes for this years GamesCom. And even if GamesCom will be shitty, I'll still look forward to Rayman Legends, Freedom Wars, YS, FF X/X-2, God Eater 2, Toukiden.... and I think that my budget can't handle any more full releases at this time anyway...

Eventually, every system with sales good enough will have a good game library, if it starts well, even better. So, while I won't buy it until it costs 100€, because I'm not a big portable gaming fan, I wish Vita success, because it's the first portable I ever liked enough to consider buying it. Its screen is gorgeous, its controls offer wide possibilities and I found them comfortable, it's a little bigger than its predecessor, so that the hands are less clenched to use the shoulder buttons, and the analog sticks are in a far better position for my tastes, all this makes it not give me hand cramps like PSP did when playing games that require to use both stick and shoulder buttons a lot.

I stand by my point that your post displays remarkable ignorance. Also, the bolded statement is factually incorrect. Not all the games are ports or have anything to do with ps3 games.

1. Soul Sacrifice: neither port or downgraded ps3 game

2. Gravity Rush: neither

3. Escape Plan: neither

4. Lumines: neither

5. Smartas: neither

6. Unit 13: neither

7. Uncharted: FFF (not listed): neither (has nothing to do with Uncharted gameplay on ps3).

Not sure about the rest.

You haven't played these games and thus have no idea whether the system is worth it for these games alone. Also, how would you know whether Assassin's Creed: Liberation (or even Uncharted:GA) is a downgraded ps3 game? Have you played it? How can you call the system a waste with no educated opinion?

"why not just beat the version you already own?": as I mentioned, psone classics look bad on a big tv screen, so neither a psone console nor a ps3 are a good enough option for many gamers. Psp and psvita are the superior devices to play them at the moment. Plus, not every psvita owner has a (working) ps3 or psone. Should they look on ebay for a psone or buy a ps3 to play psone games?

"What games on Vita aren't ports? Uncharted, Gravity Rush, Resistance, Unit 13? Not much....": factually incorrect as stated above, but also, why does it matter? People play and enjoy ports all the time. Just because Sound Shapes or Guacamelee are also available on ps3, doesn't make them any less enjoyable on psvita and according to some people (including myself), they are a better fit for a handheld rather than a console. You can't play either in your bed, on the train, on a break at work or uni. Vita is the only option.

"No it's counting, PSV doesn't even have a single exclusive JRPG": in the west sure, but in Japan too? Are you sure about that?

"All Vita is is a second PS3 that's more limited, but portable.": this is why I said you're ignorant with such post. You haven't played most if any psvita games yet you call them watered down ps3 games. How would you know? You expressed your opinion and I express mine,  with facts though, because on this topic I am not ignorant. On 3ds and WiiU, even wii that I own, I admit that I am, hence why I don't call any system a waste.

I don't like games like Halo or the milking of Mario games; as a result, I haven't bought a 360 or a wiiu/3ds (will buy a 3ds for pokemon though). However, I'm well aware that just because I don't like them or don't think highly of them, that doesn't make the games or the consoles a waste. Just not for me. Also, your argument about sales as a proof of quality has been proven several times weak. There are many reasons psvita is doing bad. It still doesn't mean that gamers see it as a waste (some refuse to buy till it gets a price cut, others because of the memory cards, others don't have the funds, others already have too many games to play already on other systems, others are waiting for localization of jrpgs released in Japan, etc). Simply put, for many gamers 3ds seems like the better deal, not 3ds the best thing since sliced bread and psvita a piece of garbage (I'm not suggesting you said that).

No one said you can't express your opinion, but when you post factually incorrect statements, don't expect people not to give their opinion on your opinion.

Now I think you're being ignorant, every single game you mentioned is average or even below average, nothing special at all, nothing in comparision to the 90+ rated games on PSP. Even Uncharted, compred to the console games it's meh from what I played, and it's metascore is only 80, where Uncharted's typically score above 90, even above 95.

Plus you only mentioned 7 games, 3DS has 10 unique games all with a higher score above the best rated game you named (Luminies is 83). PSP has 16 games with a better score...

Factually incorrect? Listen to what you're saying. 7 games with an average score in the 70's is a lot? PSP and 3DS have dozens and dozens of games which fit this category, many many more then the Vita. Vita has less exclusive games then the Sega Gamegear at this point, that's a fact.

I've played a bit of Vita at the Gamestop and was not impressed. Also you don't need to play most of the games you mentioned, Luminies is similar to the PSP version - nothing special, Soul Sacrifice is a lot like Monster Hunter - average, and watch any review and you'll see that many reviers will state that Uncharted on Vita is not as good as on PS3, but still good.

You only need to play Assassin's Creed for Vita for a couple minutes to see how acurate reviews are. No educated opinion? This is why people watch reviews, and if reviewers give PSV games meh scores, and say they are meh, or not as good as PS3 versions, then that's what they are.

Also what does it matter if the PSV has a average rated JRPG in Japan with no plans to localize? I don't read Japanese. At this moment PSV doesn't even have a single JRPG exclusive, don't ignore that and call me ignorant.

Also no, PS1 games look amazing on a large LCD, that's how I play them.

Nothing I said was incorrect, you just can't accept.

First of all, I want to say great post. You're expressing your opinion, without resorting to name calling, or bashing because my opinion differs. I love debating like this.

1. Why do you buy a console? I buy it for games, and PSP has a lot more, and better games. PSV has yet to recieve 1 JRPG exclusive, and there are currently no plans behind any of the big JRPG studios to make one.

It doesn't matter when the games released, PSP is still better at the moment, but even if you compare it by the games released in the duration it was out, without counting ports/remakes PSP had:

Ape Escape x 2
Armored Core
Coded Arms
DarkStalkers
Death Jr.
Dynasty Warriors
Everybody Golf
Luminies
MedEvil: Dark Resurection
Metal Gear Ac!d
Twisted Metal: Head On (ported to the PS2 3 years later, so it counts)
Untold Legends
Wipeout Pure

Now this isn't much better then Vita, but PSP had a lot of announced games like

Daxter
DBZ: Shin Budokai
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Jeanne D'Arc
Lemmings
Metal Gear Ac!d 2
Monster Hunter Freedom
Monster Kingdom
SOCOM US NAVY Seals Bravo
Spectral Souls
The Legend of Heros: a Tear of Vermillion
Valkyrie Profile Lenneth

and many of them were releasing in fall 2005. Of these games, I would say 6 or 7 and properly good games.

The main reason why Vita is disappointing, is it has almost nothing planned. Killzone, Toukiden and God Eater 2 are the only big projects releasing for the Vita anytime soon. Also Toukiden and God Eater 2 are available on PSP in Japan, and doesn't count if the PSP version gets localized too. So PSV could only had a single properly good game planned. Compare this to PSP now...

2. I said PSV is like a PS3, but more limited, and it is. First of all, isn't PSV's resolution sub 720p? So you're going from HD to non-HD, and in many cases PSV games aren't identical ports to PS3 games. Games like Assassin's Creed III are too big to play on Vita, that's why Vita has Liberation. Batman Arkham Origins is a similar story, PSV and 3DS get downgraded portable versions.

Also I never said playing PS3 multiplats on the go was a bad thing. I just said that for people not interested in that, this system is a waste, which it is IMO.

Some PS3 games are better on Vita too, I did mention that if I owned a Vita I would buy Disgaea 3 & 4 as I feel that genre is better suited on PSV, and the games do offer more features.