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NoirSon said:
MDMAlliance said:


You lost all credibility with that statement.  I read everything else, and it's also not true. You have no evidence.  I don't think anyone who knows what they're talking about agrees with you.

ACtually that statement has some truth.

The original Street Fighter was not a "Fighting Game" since there was no such genre, it was a action game. The genre eventually grew out of Street Fighter 2 but for the most part the original Street Fighter was just a arcade game where you played Ryu and went from one fight/stage to another. It had a versus mode but so did other side scrollers and action games, Street Fighter's main claim at the time of the original was pressure sensative buttons for different levels or punches and kicks along with "secret" special moves like the Hurricane Kick and Fireball.


That's only through a technicality, and even with  the first "fighting game" as you would call it, it still doesn't prove anything at all about his claim where a fighting game gets more hype as it gets older.  



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MDMAlliance said:
NoirSon said:
MDMAlliance said:


You lost all credibility with that statement.  I read everything else, and it's also not true. You have no evidence.  I don't think anyone who knows what they're talking about agrees with you.

ACtually that statement has some truth.

The original Street Fighter was not a "Fighting Game" since there was no such genre, it was a action game. The genre eventually grew out of Street Fighter 2 but for the most part the original Street Fighter was just a arcade game where you played Ryu and went from one fight/stage to another. It had a versus mode but so did other side scrollers and action games, Street Fighter's main claim at the time of the original was pressure sensative buttons for different levels or punches and kicks along with "secret" special moves like the Hurricane Kick and Fireball.


That's only through a technicality, and even with  the first "fighting game" as you would call it, it still doesn't prove anything at all about his claim where a fighting game gets more hype as it gets older.  

The proof is right here. This was the biggest year yet for street fighter,marvel,Kof, and smash. More people join in. More techniques developed. More hype.



Trentonater said:
MDMAlliance said:
That's only through a technicality, and even with  the first "fighting game" as you would call it, it still doesn't prove anything at all about his claim where a fighting game gets more hype as it gets older.  

The proof is right here. This was the biggest year yet for street fighter,marvel,Kof, and smash. More people join in. More techniques developed. More hype.

You seriously need to go take a science or statistics course.  Have they ever taught you "correlation does not imply causation"?  

If every time I set a banana down on a table, a celebrity dies, that wouldn't mean that setting bananas down onto a table is the leading cause of celebrity deaths.



MDMAlliance said:
Trentonater said:
MDMAlliance said:
That's only through a technicality, and even with  the first "fighting game" as you would call it, it still doesn't prove anything at all about his claim where a fighting game gets more hype as it gets older.  

The proof is right here. This was the biggest year yet for street fighter,marvel,Kof, and smash. More people join in. More techniques developed. More hype.

You seriously need to go take a science or statistics course.  Have they ever taught you "correlation does not imply causation"?  

If every time I set a banana down on a table, a celebrity dies, that wouldn't mean that setting bananas down onto a table is the leading cause of celebrity deaths.

KOF was ignored its first year at evo, As people learned the game it got more attention. You ask for proof and then when it doesn't match your preconceptions you disregard it? There is a stark incline when it comes to fighting games each year. You don't know much about the Fighting game community but talk like you know everything about it. If you ask any serious fighting game player they will parrot what I have been saying.



Trentonater said:
MDMAlliance said:

You seriously need to go take a science or statistics course.  Have they ever taught you "correlation does not imply causation"?  

If every time I set a banana down on a table, a celebrity dies, that wouldn't mean that setting bananas down onto a table is the leading cause of celebrity deaths.

KOF was ignored its first year at evo, As people learned the game it got more attention. You ask for proof and then when it doesn't match your preconceptions you disregard it? There is a stark incline when it comes to fighting games each year. You don't know much about the Fighting game community but talk like you know everything about it. If you ask any serious fighting game player they will parrot what I have been saying.


You made the same mistake as you made last time.   Also, your statement about Super Smash Bros Melee contradicts itself.  
Regardless, implying that the age of Smash Bros Melee doesn't matter in comparison to Marvel vs Capcom ignores the fact that Smash Bros Melee sold significantly more than Marvel vs Capcom had.  You also pretend like just because you may be part of this supposed "community" that you know all of them.  So I suppose you know exactly what those 100,000+ people think and are like during the Smash Bros Melee stream?  You don't, you probably don't even know 1% of them.  You only know the minority.  You are a minority.  
A game can gain attention over time, but that does NOT mean a game HAS to gain attention over time.  Which is exactly what I was trying to warn you about with the "correlation does not imply causation" statement.

The way you said it means that Smah Bros Melee should have easily far exceeded Marvel vs Capcom's numbers, because it has been out for 12 years vs Marvel's 2.  Also another thing to note is that Brawl sold more than Melee.  You saying more people play Melee is an incorrect assessment.  I would have respected your opinion more if you didn't make generalizations that were incorrect and actually talked about the real deal at hand, which is that Melee is a game more popular for the competitive.

My point about Melee being significantly older still stands because regardless of the community, it's still not nearly as fresh as Marvel vs Capcom.  Saying it doesn't matter means you don't understand the silent majority.



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lol, and they have nearly forbidden it



MDMAlliance said:
SnakeEyez said:
MDMAlliance said:
SnakeEyez said:
And just like that it lost the "record" to Marvel.


To be fair, Smash Bros Melee is significantly older.


In the FGC, that doesn't matter one bit.


What would make you say that?  Just your opinion?  


It's not my opinion, it's what I've observed. I've been part of the Fighting Game community for as long as I can remember and I can attest to the fact that people to this day still play Marvel 2 and Third Strike among other fighting games. As long as there is competition, people will play those fighting games which is what makes fighting games so unique. Age is nothing but a number.



SnakeEyez said:
MDMAlliance said:

What would make you say that?  Just your opinion?  


It's not my opinion, it's what I've observed. I've been part of the Fighting Game community for as long as I can remember and I can attest to the fact that people to this day still play Marvel 2 and Third Strike among other fighting games. As long as there is competition, people will play those fighting games which is what makes fighting games so unique. Age is nothing but a number.


Little bit off topic, but I just noticed I have been talking to two different people with this topic.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing that because a game is old people wont play it anymore.  This actually wasn't about who plays it, it was about who watches it.  Fact is, more people play/have played Melee than Marvel.  Also, read my responses to the other guy and you'll see exactly what's going on here.



MDMAlliance said:
NoirSon said:
MDMAlliance said:


You lost all credibility with that statement.  I read everything else, and it's also not true. You have no evidence.  I don't think anyone who knows what they're talking about agrees with you.

ACtually that statement has some truth.

The original Street Fighter was not a "Fighting Game" since there was no such genre, it was a action game. The genre eventually grew out of Street Fighter 2 but for the most part the original Street Fighter was just a arcade game where you played Ryu and went from one fight/stage to another. It had a versus mode but so did other side scrollers and action games, Street Fighter's main claim at the time of the original was pressure sensative buttons for different levels or punches and kicks along with "secret" special moves like the Hurricane Kick and Fireball.


That's only through a technicality, and even with  the first "fighting game" as you would call it, it still doesn't prove anything at all about his claim where a fighting game gets more hype as it gets older.  

In the tournament scene there is usually more support for older games because people know more about them, the character tiers, glitches and such are more stable. But you both are right because once everything is discovered, eventually people do tend to move on so saying it gets more hype as it gets older is both partially true and false.

If Brawl didn't have elements like tripping and purposely was slowed down due to mystery complaints (I never heard anyone complain about its speed outside of its creators when justifying changes made in Brawl) of it being too fast, it would have been played but Melee is the favorite of the tournement crowd because it fits what the competitive Smash Bros. players want from the series. If the next Smash Bros game is closer to Melee in terms of how it plays, just like with Street Fighter 4 and Marvel vs Capcom 3 (which most tournament players at first didn't like compared to older games like Street Fighter 3: Third Strike or Marvel vs Capcom 2) it will eventually be replaced. If it plays more like Brawl, you will probably be seeing Melee or some sort of fan made Melee game in its place.



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So it does still hold the record? 200k WW at one time? Or is that it's total views?