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thismeintiel said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
o_O.Q said:

so i suppose you completely disregard the fact that zimmerman pursued the kid and initiated whatever conflict they had?

He followed someone he found to be suspicious in his neighborhood he was in his right to do so. In other words it's not illigal. The kid should have just kept on till his dads house, and not snuck up and attacked Zimmerman. 

As a member of the neighborhood watch, he should have known not to follow him as he was instructed to do so by 911. If the situation was reversed and Martin shot Zimmerman because he felt threatened that some strange guy was following home. I doubt you'd feel the same way. As someone that's been followed before, I can't say what I would have done in the same situation. Although going straight home wouldn't have been my first thought, I don't want to lead a potential threat to my place of residence.

The sad thing about that statement is that if Trayvon had got the gun and shot Zimmerman, only the local media would have covered the story.  The nation would have NEVER heard about it.  And they certainly wouldn't have run pictures of Zimmerman as a 12/13 yr old Hispanic boy shot by the 6 ft "thug."


What makes you think this?

 

Did you hear about the woman in Texas who shot WARNING shots to scare her abuser and supposedly got 20 years? Lol



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thismeintiel said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
gooch_destroyer said:


Being black myself i'm not that upset. the media loves to stir shit up.

I know, if Zimmerman was a black man or the kid was white or Hispanic this case would have never seen the light of day. Plus the president opining his mouth when it wasn't asked for or warranted didn't help matters. 

This is a sad truth.  Hundreds, if not thousands, even younger than Trayvon have died this year alone (and its not even over) in major cities, such as Chicago.  Do we hear those stories? Those victim's names?  Of course not.  Not only because it doesn't further this illusion of most white men as racist, since a lot of the crime is black on black, but it would also make the Dems in charge there look incompetent.  Maybe even like they don't care about fixing the problem.  But, because the media falsely assumed Zimmerman was white, and then later decided to call him a "white" Hispanic to cover up their mistake, it helped push this race divide.


Agreed

 

This pretty much was the perfect case to ensure and restruct the racial barriers. It only really keeps people from the black community low-key mad at the white community.

 

People from the white community usually say if it was the other way around, this would have been swept under the rug

 

and the people from the black community say if it was the other way around, Zimmerman would have been jailed

 

I swear i hear the same arguments from each side lol



Lol There is a joke going around on twitter

 

Arizona: "Atleast we're not Texas"

Texas: "Atleast we're not Florida"

Florida: "You can't prove that we're Florida"



ListerOfSmeg said:

OK then you wouldnt mind me pointing a gun at you while you hold your little can of pepper spray? Or you grab your stick while I shoot you. When there are more powerful weapons in the world, you do not limit yourself to an inferior one. I wanna see you karate chop a shot from a 12 gauge. lol

 

Let's not try to pretend that its all rainbows and kittens out there in the real world.

Sorry I beleive I would know better about what was required in a situation I am in then some cop on the phone.

I can understand having weapons for self defense in your house, for home defense purposes. Hell I grew up in a house which had a hunting rifle and a shotgun that belonged to my grandfather and my dad... However where I live, I absolutely dont see a reason why a civilians need to carry guns on them.

I dont live in USA, and am not saying you are wrong or dont know better... you do what you need to do to protect yourself where you live.

Here is a video which argues my point that civilians and guns do not mix, even for "self denfense"...especially when an argument occurs and people lose their cool.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ87CGV9Wkg



An expected, but still slightly depressing verdict. A black males life is just not worth very much in America. Prosecution made some huge mistakes, most notably imho going for murder two from the start, and neglecting to highlight the lies, inconsistencies, and impossibilities of Zimmerman's many different stories of how everything went down that night.

Oh well, I will sleep better knowing I don't live in Florida, and don't have any gun wielding maniacal watchdogs in my neighborhood.



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disolitude said:
ListerOfSmeg said:

OK then you wouldnt mind me pointing a gun at you while you hold your little can of pepper spray? Or you grab your stick while I shoot you. When there are more powerful weapons in the world, you do not limit yourself to an inferior one. I wanna see you karate chop a shot from a 12 gauge. lol

 

Let's not try to pretend that its all rainbows and kittens out there in the real world.

Sorry I beleive I would know better about what was required in a situation I am in then some cop on the phone.

I can understand having weapons for self defense in your house, for home defense purposes. Hell I grew up in a house which had a hunting rifle and a shotgun that belonged to my grandfather and my dad... However where I live, I absolutely dont see a reason why a civilians need to carry guns on them.

I dont live in USA, and am not saying you are wrong or dont know better... you do what you need to do to protect yourself where you live.

Here is a video which argues my point that civilians and guns do not mix, even for "self denfense"...especially when an argument occurs and people lose their cool.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ87CGV9Wkg


Dont try to reason with someone who was born with a gun in their hangs. Australia is similar to Canada. When I walk the streets I don't feel that unsafe that I feel like I need a gun to get out of a situation. 



 

 

J_Allard said:

Oh well, I will sleep better knowing I don't live in Florida, and don't have any gun wielding maniacal watchdogs in my neighborhood.

And if there is, best not to attack them. Could get you shot.



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I'm sorry, but you follow an unarmed kid around with a gun, especially AGAINST THE ORDERS OF THE POLICE, I think the whole "self defense" argument gets thrown out the window. After all, YOU started the confrontation. YOU provoked HIM, and wielded a weapon while doing so. I think someone forgot to tell Zimmerman he was the neighborhood watch, not the town sheriff. You are not supposed to take the law in your own hands in this situation. You let the cops deal with it.

Maybe the kid did beat him, but did you ever think that maybe HE felt threatened and thus acted in self defense?? After all, he was getting chased by a stocky dude carrying a gun... Hell I sure would be freaked out. Even if the kid did get out of line and start whaling on the guy, and Zimmerman WAS threatened, for fucks sake.. Pistol whip the guy, or shoot him in the foot or something. And why did this Zimmerman follow him in the first place? Racial profiling. Simple as that.. And look where it gets us...

The guy KILLS an innocent kid who was simply taking a stroll to a Seven-Eleven minding his own business, gets murdered, and the killer gets charged with NOTHING. Not even manslaughter. I am absolutely disgusted... There is no justice in this world. Plain and simple.

Can't imagine how the parents of this kid must feel. I'd be fuming..



Metallicube said:

I'm sorry, but you follow an unarmed kid around with a gun, especially AGAINST THE ORDERS OF THE POLICE, I think the whole "self defense" argument gets thrown out the window. Maybe the kid did beat him, but did you ever think that maybe HE felt threatened and thus acted in self defense?? After all, he was getting chased by a stocky dude carrying a gun... Even if this man WAS some how feeling threatened, for fucks sake.. Pistol whip the guy, or shoot him in the foot or something. And why did this Zimmerman follow him in the first place? Racial profiling. Simple as that.. And look where it gets us...

The guy KILLS an innocent kid who was simply taking a stroll to a 7/11, gets murdered, and the killer gets charged with NOTHING. Not even manslaughter. I am absolutely disgusted... There is no justice in this world. Plain and simple.

Can't imagine how the parents of this kid must feel. I'd be fuming..

The 6 ft tall and practically an adult "kid" felt threatened, but so did Zimmerman when his head was being bashed into the ground by someone bigger and probably stronger than him.

I'd be scared of a "creepy ass cracker" following me as well. But I would consider hearing what they have to say first before resorting to violence. Otherwise something like this could happen.



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Metallicube said:

I'm sorry, but you follow an unarmed kid around with a gun, especially AGAINST THE ORDERS OF THE POLICE, I think the whole "self defense" argument gets thrown out the window. After all, YOU started the confrontation. YOU provoked HIM, and wielded a weapon while doing so. I think someone forgot to tell Zimmerman he was the neighborhood watch, not the town sheriff. You are not supposed to take the law in your own hands in this situation. You let the cops deal with it.

Maybe the kid did beat him, but did you ever think that maybe HE felt threatened and thus acted in self defense?? After all, he was getting chased by a stocky dude carrying a gun... Hell I sure would be freaked out. Even if the kid did get out of line and start whaling on the guy, and Zimmerman WAS threatened, for fucks sake.. Pistol whip the guy, or shoot him in the foot or something. And why did this Zimmerman follow him in the first place? Racial profiling. Simple as that.. And look where it gets us...

The guy KILLS an innocent kid who was simply taking a stroll to a Seven-Eleven minding his own business, gets murdered, and the killer gets charged with NOTHING. Not even manslaughter. I am absolutely disgusted... There is no justice in this world. Plain and simple.

Can't imagine how the parents of this kid must feel. I'd be fuming..


Have you got amnesia? 

Read below someone already gave you the facts and yet you post the same crap you did before.

 

thismeintiel said:
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him? 

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"? 

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...

And this is the problem with our society.  People who don't even look at the facts of the case and just jump to conclusions.  Which, I admit, is much easier to happen when the media is spoon feeding people BS.

Trayvon was far from innocent.  Zimmerman lost him for several minutes.  Plenty of time for Trayvon to get to his dad's house and be relaxing.  Instead, he decided to stick around and (most likely) confront this "crazy ass cracker."  And kid?  Really?  He was an atheletic, 6 ft (Zimmerman was 5'7") 17 yr old YOUNG MAN.  Not the little 12 yr old boy the media tried to portray him as.

Zimmerman was NEVER told by a cop to not follow Trayvon.  He was told by a DISPATCHER that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon.  That's not an order.  And he has no legal obligation to follow it.  And, in fact, he did stop following him at that point.  Hence, the wind dying down and Zimmerman catching his breath on the 911 call.

It also doesn't matter WHO owned the gun, as either man could have got ahold of it and used it.  Zimmerman even stated he believed Trayvon was going for his gun, which is why he felt he had to get to it, first.  Of course, Zimmerman may have only imagined this.  But, who could blame him if he did, he was getting his head slammed against the sidewalk at the time.

In the end, our justice system prevailed over low information "armchair legal experts" and emotion.