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Mr Puggsly said:
J_Allard said:

Oh well, I will sleep better knowing I don't live in Florida, and don't have any gun wielding maniacal watchdogs in my neighborhood.

And if there is, best not to attack them. Could get you shot.

And dont buy skittles and Tea while wearing a hoodie. You'll look suspicious lol



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I think something is going on in Florida

Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman, Mutant Mosquitos and Zombies

Wtf is going on lol



He didn't provide Cube with any "facts", he gave him a pro-Zimmerman slanted opinion on the circumstances.

I love the part about "lol it wasnt police that told him not to follow, it was just dispatch!!" as if that makes a world of difference. And it also doesn't take into account the fact that the neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was a part of has strict guidelines and rules against following and confronting suspicious people.

I eagerly await seeing Zimmerman annihilated in civil court, just like OJ was after he was found "not guilty". I am assuming, of course, Zimmerman won't be 500 lbs and dead by then at the rate he is expanding.



Good.



thismeintiel said:
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...

And this is the problem with our society.  People who don't even look at the facts of the case and just jump to conclusions.  Which, I admit, is much easier to happen when the media is spoon feeding people BS.

Trayvon was far from innocent.  Zimmerman lost him for several minutes.  Plenty of time for Trayvon to get to his dad's house and be relaxing.  Instead, he decided to stick around and (most likely) confront this "crazy ass cracker."  And kid?  Really?  He was an atheletic, 6 ft (Zimmerman was 5'7") 17 yr old YOUNG MAN.  Not the little 12 yr old boy the media tried to portray him as.

Zimmerman was NEVER told by a cop to not follow Trayvon.  He was told by a DISPATCHER that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon.  That's not an order.  And he has no legal obligation to follow it.  And, in fact, he did stop following him at that point.  Hence, the wind dying down and Zimmerman catching his breath on the 911 call.

It also doesn't matter WHO owned the gun, as either man could have got ahold of it and used it.  Zimmerman even stated he believed Trayvon was going for his gun, which is why he felt he had to get to it, first.  Of course, Zimmerman may have only imagined this.  But, who could blame him if he did, he was getting his head slammed against the sidewalk at the time.

In the end, our justice system prevailed over low information "armchair legal experts" and emotion.


If this is our justice system "prevailing", then perhaps it's time I move to Canada :/

Please, I'm one of the LAST people you will meet who will allow myself to get spoon fed by the media, but to me the facts are in plain sight...

Also...  With regards to the bolded.. Soo, is this confirmed, or is it only "likely"? Because that makes a big difference..

If in fact, Zimmerman DID lose Trayvon, and ceased his pursuit of him, while Trayvon approached him and began beating him, then sure, that certainly changes the situation, but even IF that were true, Zimmerman was still the one to innitiate the confrontation in the first place. He was also the one who was armed. You can say he acted in defense, but I fail to see how you couldn't make the same argument that Trayvon was acting in self defense.. Curious though.. If Zimmerman DID in fact cease his pursuit of him, how on earth was Trayvon able to approach him and start beating him? Why couldn't Zimmerman simply turn back and return to HIS house and start relaxing, like you say Trayvon should have done? I'm seeing a double standard here..

I'm not saying Trayvon was in the right here by beating him, far from it. But I don't believe that should take Zimmerman off the hook for killing an unarmed teenager either - especially when it is not clear he acted in "self defense", which was esentially caused by him overstepping and innitiating an unneeded confrontation with a kid that, by all accounts, had no intention on commiting a crime this night, and was simply out to pick up some snacks at the Seven-Eleven.

It seems to be that both parties made major mistakes in this situation. Unfourtunately, thanks to our fine justice system, Travyon's mistake cost him his life, while Zimmerman's costed him.. a minor inconvenience of having to show up to court.



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Metallicube said:
thismeintiel said:
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...

And this is the problem with our society.  People who don't even look at the facts of the case and just jump to conclusions.  Which, I admit, is much easier to happen when the media is spoon feeding people BS.

Trayvon was far from innocent.  Zimmerman lost him for several minutes.  Plenty of time for Trayvon to get to his dad's house and be relaxing.  Instead, he decided to stick around and (most likely) confront this "crazy ass cracker."  And kid?  Really?  He was an atheletic, 6 ft (Zimmerman was 5'7") 17 yr old YOUNG MAN.  Not the little 12 yr old boy the media tried to portray him as.

Zimmerman was NEVER told by a cop to not follow Trayvon.  He was told by a DISPATCHER that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon.  That's not an order.  And he has no legal obligation to follow it.  And, in fact, he did stop following him at that point.  Hence, the wind dying down and Zimmerman catching his breath on the 911 call.

It also doesn't matter WHO owned the gun, as either man could have got ahold of it and used it.  Zimmerman even stated he believed Trayvon was going for his gun, which is why he felt he had to get to it, first.  Of course, Zimmerman may have only imagined this.  But, who could blame him if he did, he was getting his head slammed against the sidewalk at the time.

In the end, our justice system prevailed over low information "armchair legal experts" and emotion.


If this is our justice system "prevailing", then perhaps it's time I move to Canada :/

Please, I'm one of the LAST people you will meet who will allow myself to get spoon fed by the media, but to me the facts are in plain sight...

Also...  With regards to the bolded.. Soo, is this confirmed, or is it only "likely"? Because that makes a big difference..

If in fact, Zimmerman DID lose Trayvon, and ceased his pursuit of him, while Trayvon approached him and began beating him, then sure, that certainly changes the situation, but even IF that were true, Zimmerman was still the one to innitiate the confrontation in the first place. He was also the one who was armed. You can say he acted in defense, but I fail to see how you couldn't make the same argument that Trayvon was acting in self defense.. Curious though.. If Zimmerman DID in fact cease his pursuit of him, how on earth was Trayvon able to approach him and start beating him? Why couldn't Zimmerman simply turn back and return to HIS house and start relaxing, like you say Trayvon should have done? I'm seeing a double standard here..

I'm not saying Trayvon was in the right here by beating him, far from it. But I don't believe that should take Zimmerman off the hook for killing an unarmed teenager either - especially when it is not clear he acted in "self defense", which was esentially caused by him overstepping and innitiating an unneeded confrontation with a kid that, by all accounts, had no intention on commiting a crime this night, and was simply out to pick up some snacks at the Seven-Eleven.

It seems to be that both parties made major mistakes in this situation. Unfourtunately, thanks to our fine justice system, Travyon's mistake cost him his life, while Zimmerman's costed him.. a minor inconvenience of having to show up to court.

It's not confirmed. In fact when Zimmerman claims to get off the phone and end his pursuit, Trayvon's phone records show he was still on the phone for 2-3 minutes. More than enough time for Zimmerman to get back to his vehicle if he was truly done pursuing Trayvon. This is just one of the many things the prosecution should have delved into when it comes to the many contradictions and lies Zimmerman has told.

Not to mention, this whole idea that Trayvon "stuck around to confront" Zimmerman is just speculation anyway.



enditall727 said:

And dont buy skittles and Tea while wearing a hoodie. You'll look suspicious lol

Yeah he was shot for being suspicious instead of because he was beating the shit out of Zimmerman. Boy, you are devoted to that ridiculous fable aren't you? 

J_Allard said:

It's not confirmed. In fact when Zimmerman claims to get off the phone and end his pursuit, Trayvon's phone records show he was still on the phone for 2-3 minutes. More than enough time for Zimmerman to get back to his vehicle if he was truly done pursuing Trayvon. This is just one of the many things the prosecution should have delved into when it comes to the many contradictions and lies Zimmerman has told.

Not to mention, this whole idea that Trayvon "stuck around to confront" Zimmerman is just speculation anyway.

Apparently you did not watch the trial.

Trayvon had 4 minutes to get home from the mailboxes, which are about 300-400 feet from the place he was staying. Had he actually wanted to go home, he could have easily accomplished that. This provides ample evidence that he wasn't some scared kid - a scared kid would've gone home.

It's also true that Zimmerman had 1-2 minutes to get back to his truck.

The problem is a lack of evidence - no one has any idea who started the fight. But it's logical to presume Trayvon did because he has no wounds from Zimmerman save the bullet hole.

J_Allard said:
He didn't provide Cube with any "facts", he gave him a pro-Zimmerman slanted opinion on the circumstances.

I love the part about "lol it wasnt police that told him not to follow, it was just dispatch!!" as if that makes a world of difference. And it also doesn't take into account the fact that the neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was a part of has strict guidelines and rules against following and confronting suspicious people. 

I eagerly await seeing Zimmerman annihilated in civil court, just like OJ was after he was found "not guilty". I am assuming, of course, Zimmerman won't be 500 lbs and dead by then at the rate he is expanding.

Actually the difference is because it is illegal not to comply with a lawful order from a peace officer - this could have potentially shown intent to confront.

Your evidence that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or intended to confront him? Had several opportunities to do it.

Civil court will not happen. O'Mara will be seeking civil immunity from lawsuits as per this verdict. Sorry, you lost.

@the rest

Stop speaking from a position of ignorance. It's embarrassing for you to do so and those of us informed are offended by this. 



Metallicube said:

I'm sorry, but you follow an unarmed kid around with a gun, especially AGAINST THE ORDERS OF THE POLICE, I think the whole "self defense" argument gets thrown out the window. After all, YOU started the confrontation. YOU provoked HIM, and wielded a weapon while doing so. I think someone forgot to tell Zimmerman he was the neighborhood watch, not the town sheriff. You are not supposed to take the law in your own hands in this situation. You let the cops deal with it.

Maybe the kid did beat him, but did you ever think that maybe HE felt threatened and thus acted in self defense?? After all, he was getting chased by a stocky dude carrying a gun... Hell I sure would be freaked out. Even if the kid did get out of line and start whaling on the guy, and Zimmerman WAS threatened, for fucks sake.. Pistol whip the guy, or shoot him in the foot or something. And why did this Zimmerman follow him in the first place? Racial profiling. Simple as that.. And look where it gets us...

The guy KILLS an innocent kid who was simply taking a stroll to a Seven-Eleven minding his own business, gets murdered, and the killer gets charged with NOTHING. Not even manslaughter. I am absolutely disgusted... There is no justice in this world. Plain and simple.

Can't imagine how the parents of this kid must feel. I'd be fuming..

Wow, just saw this and had to form a reply to this verbal diarrhea of the mouth.

Which racist news network do you watch?

Some facts for you:

Police never ordered Zimmerman not to follow. A dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that" in reference to that. A dispatcher is a citizen with special privileges, NOT an officer of the law.

There is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman followed after that point anyway.

In what world is following someone considered provocation? Paparazzi and Private Investigators do this for a living. They hardly ever confront a subject.

If the kid felt threatended he had 4 minutes to walk 300 feet. Pretty easy to do that. Instead he didn't do that, for whatever reason. (Probably to punch zimmerman in the face)

Well, Zimmerman was not sure if he even shot the kid at all let alone killed him as per his testimony (all we have to go by).

It is really unfortunate that an innocent person died, but Trayvon was no angel. Let's be honest.

Race never came into play at all in this matter. If you do nothing else, listen to the call from Zimmerman to the non-emergency dispatcher. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman for the race of the person before he even mentions it.

If you think it's about race, listen to the testimony of Rachel Jeantel about the words Trayvon used to describe his follower: "creep ass cracker" "nigger"



Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...

Or, it was that he felt threatened when he was under this teen, with his head being bashed against the pavement while being told that he was going to be murdered. That's what the evidence says, and I don't believe there was anything to contradict that.

Should he? Maybe. He was the community watch captain. I heard that he was going to check the street signs to make sure of his location, which sounds a bit strange but apparently it's common in that area for street names to change somewhat regularly. Besides that, it's easy to say this with hindsight. Also, it wasn't a cop that told him to not follow, it was the 911 dispatcher, who can't order someone to do something, or they could be held liable for any disaster resulting from following that order. 

Again, when he's the one being beaten and threatened verbally.

The prosecution did not have a strong case in this situation.

Mr Khan said:
Something really should be happening to this guy. I doubt he had lethal intent, but it's clear that he needs to learn that guns kill people, and that if it hadn't been a black teenager he killed, he would have gotten in a lot of trouble

False, and you know it. This wouldn't have been nearly as big had it not been a black teen killed. Note that police initially said there was no evidence conflicing with his claim of self defense, and they had to get a new prosecutor before the case would move forward in court.

Ljink96 said:
That is some bull! Somebody died and nobody is guilty? That man smiled as the sentencing was read? Yeah, your life was on the line but so was someone elses, some time ago. He actually died without a court case. I hate this. I really hate this. It's like letting Boothe go free after he killed Lincoln. Just sad... what have we done?

Yes. Is that so shocking? Of course he smiled. He wasn't going to spend decades in prison for defending himself.

It's nothing like that. There is no evidence whatsoever that Boothe killed Lincoln in self defense. Rather, it's pretty well known that he murdered Lincoln. In this case, there is no evidence to conflict with Zimmerman's claim of self defense.

Why is it scary? The most likely alternative is that Zimmerman would be dead. I'd rather be able to defend myself than appease those who are queasy by the mere sight of a gun.

disolitude said:

I can understand having weapons for self defense in your house, for home defense purposes. Hell I grew up in a house which had a hunting rifle and a shotgun that belonged to my grandfather and my dad... However where I live, I absolutely dont see a reason why a civilians need to carry guns on them.

I dont live in USA, and am not saying you are wrong or dont know better... you do what you need to do to protect yourself where you live.

Here is a video which argues my point that civilians and guns do not mix, even for "self denfense"...especially when an argument occurs and people lose their cool.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ87CGV9Wkg

But there are plenty of times where the mere presence of a firearm carried by a civilian prevents a crime from being committed. And it's not like crime shoots way up when people carry. If anything, there is a weak correlation towards the opposite. Also, cops accidentally shoot more people than people who carry concealed firearms. The cops can get away with it. The civilian will go through hell and will probably face some very serious punishments.

...

I'm disgusted by the fact that people wanted to destroy this man's life when there is absolutely no evidence indicating that he violated the law to defend himself. Should we not want justice served, regardless of the outcome? I believe that it was, as the evidence all points in the same direction. Had he not been carrying a weapon, it's entirely possible that he would be dead, and Martin would have been investigated for first degree murder.



God damn. Can't believe so many people are happy that at fat rich white guy , got away with killing a black kid with a bag of fucking Skittles, who dared to walk home through the "wrong neighborhood". Sorry, but "self defense" my ass. If Trayvon had followed and killed George, not only would this not have gone to trial, but most people would be condemning the motherfucker without question.

Florida AND it's stupid "They're Comin' Right FOR Us" law can seriously get fucked.