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J_Allard on 14 July 2013
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Metallicube said:
thismeintiel said:
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...

And this is the problem with our society.  People who don't even look at the facts of the case and just jump to conclusions.  Which, I admit, is much easier to happen when the media is spoon feeding people BS.

Trayvon was far from innocent.  Zimmerman lost him for several minutes.  Plenty of time for Trayvon to get to his dad's house and be relaxing.  Instead, he decided to stick around and (most likely) confront this "crazy ass cracker."  And kid?  Really?  He was an atheletic, 6 ft (Zimmerman was 5'7") 17 yr old YOUNG MAN.  Not the little 12 yr old boy the media tried to portray him as.

Zimmerman was NEVER told by a cop to not follow Trayvon.  He was told by a DISPATCHER that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon.  That's not an order.  And he has no legal obligation to follow it.  And, in fact, he did stop following him at that point.  Hence, the wind dying down and Zimmerman catching his breath on the 911 call.

It also doesn't matter WHO owned the gun, as either man could have got ahold of it and used it.  Zimmerman even stated he believed Trayvon was going for his gun, which is why he felt he had to get to it, first.  Of course, Zimmerman may have only imagined this.  But, who could blame him if he did, he was getting his head slammed against the sidewalk at the time.

In the end, our justice system prevailed over low information "armchair legal experts" and emotion.


If this is our justice system "prevailing", then perhaps it's time I move to Canada :/

Please, I'm one of the LAST people you will meet who will allow myself to get spoon fed by the media, but to me the facts are in plain sight...

Also...  With regards to the bolded.. Soo, is this confirmed, or is it only "likely"? Because that makes a big difference..

If in fact, Zimmerman DID lose Trayvon, and ceased his pursuit of him, while Trayvon approached him and began beating him, then sure, that certainly changes the situation, but even IF that were true, Zimmerman was still the one to innitiate the confrontation in the first place. He was also the one who was armed. You can say he acted in defense, but I fail to see how you couldn't make the same argument that Trayvon was acting in self defense.. Curious though.. If Zimmerman DID in fact cease his pursuit of him, how on earth was Trayvon able to approach him and start beating him? Why couldn't Zimmerman simply turn back and return to HIS house and start relaxing, like you say Trayvon should have done? I'm seeing a double standard here..

I'm not saying Trayvon was in the right here by beating him, far from it. But I don't believe that should take Zimmerman off the hook for killing an unarmed teenager either - especially when it is not clear he acted in "self defense", which was esentially caused by him overstepping and innitiating an unneeded confrontation with a kid that, by all accounts, had no intention on commiting a crime this night, and was simply out to pick up some snacks at the Seven-Eleven.

It seems to be that both parties made major mistakes in this situation. Unfourtunately, thanks to our fine justice system, Travyon's mistake cost him his life, while Zimmerman's costed him.. a minor inconvenience of having to show up to court.

It's not confirmed. In fact when Zimmerman claims to get off the phone and end his pursuit, Trayvon's phone records show he was still on the phone for 2-3 minutes. More than enough time for Zimmerman to get back to his vehicle if he was truly done pursuing Trayvon. This is just one of the many things the prosecution should have delved into when it comes to the many contradictions and lies Zimmerman has told.

Not to mention, this whole idea that Trayvon "stuck around to confront" Zimmerman is just speculation anyway.