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Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...


Your post is so full of bias and ignorance....

So it is your supposition that GZ set out to murder himself "...some innocent kid in a hoodie"? Why did he even bother to call the police then?

Just because you carry a gun does not mean you intend on using the gun. Many people carry guns and never use them or even pull them out. This includes law inforcement and members of the military. Getting into a physical confrontation and having your head punched into a sidewalk (witness saw TM on top of GZ) would certainly suggest that TM never even knew GZ had a gun (showing he never pulled it out before the altercation) which goes to show why TM did not run home or even leave the area completely or call the police himself and why GZ felt as though his own life was in jeopardy (what if after beating GZ TM had found the gun?)

This isn't all to say GZ is innocent or that he didn't assault TM first and then lost the upper hand only to shoot TM. That could have happened. The problem is we DON"T know!!! And if we started convicting people based on conflicting stories as opposed to the evidence and presumption of innocence before guilt then our Justice System IS truly fucked.

 



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this seemed pretty fitting for the thread. Not the part about the hoody, but how the race baiting is going on, and how people should act rational.


http://www.infowars.com/niece-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-would-not-wear-a-hoodie/


“There was a reasonable doubt in that case,” she said. “So the case went the ways of the laws of this land, but now we need to go further and look at the human heart.”

Dr. King also called out the mongers in the media and elsewhere who are trying to spin the verdict into racial tensions between Caucasians and African-Americans.

“As far as trying to fit the Caucasians against African-Americans, Mr. Zimmerman is a Hispanic,” she said. “Although we are one blood, one human family, one human race, there’s a lot of deception and emotion in these things that are being spurred.”

“Mr. Zimmerman is not a Caucasian. He’s not.”

Even when her uncle was assassinated in 1968, Dr. King said that it wasn’t fair to blame it on Caucasians.

Right before her father left home in order to retrieve the body of the slain civil rights leader, she said she stood in the kitchen ranting, “I hate white people!”

“Alveda, white people did not kill your uncle,” Dr. King’s father said to her as he held her in his arms. “The devil did.”

From that experience, Dr. King learned to answer violent tragedies with love, not hate.

“We answer with reason,” she said. “We answer with sanity.”



enditall727 said:

Its weird that you bring up skin color. Trayvon had on a hoody with long sleeves and long pants so it wouldn't really matter what skin color he was being that the majority of his skin was covered up. If he did in fact leap out of the bush, Zimmerman would've heard him because the bushes were small and pushed up against the houses so he would've heard him as he rubbed against the bush and he would've saw him run up to Zimmerman

I just dont believe he hid behind the bush to ambush Zimmerman. I think he would've been noticed beforehand if he did

There was only so many places you could hide in that T area if somebody like a neighneighborhood watch was looking for them. The only places you could really hide is the bushes so of course Zimmerman would've kept an eye on each pair of bushes that he passed by.

There is no use to continue the conversation because you realised that you can't argue against the speculation ;)

Why would somebody jump out of a bush and attempt to fight somebody while they are on the phone? And why would he just blindly try to kill Zimmerman all of a sudden for no reason? He attempted to grab your gun to kill you but there were no fingerprints on the gun from Trayvon?

There is a lot of speculation that can be made and you can feel free to speculate whatever you want but i feel like i came up with the best possible speculation that can be made lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nSGb6waE8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA


Its weird that I bring up skin color because dark skin and dark night isn't relevant? Like your thought process for this whole thing is obviously "make a judgement and use reverse logic to back it up and only use the poor evidnece that back ups my claim"

You are assuming a whole lot that GZ would hear anything. Like it is mind boggling how you come to your conclusions. You are so convinced with what you say is true but have nothing to back it up. No. GZ probably wouldnt have heard anything. I don't even know where you get your information from.

You know bushes have 4 sides and "right up against the house" is only one side and the side facing the sidewalk is another side... that leaves two sides.... One is usually against the fence... oh look I found a side not up against anything that could easily be hidden behind. Oh yeah he would have seen trayvon approach him from behind /rolls eyes.

There is no use in this conversation because you made up your mind already. In the other thread before you knew anything you said "oh this case doesn't make sense because of such and such" then you come up with Jeantels testimony and all of a sudden you are convinced that GZ was guity.



dsgrue3 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Wait....leave your personal feelings for Trayvon out of this, you don't know him and neither do I. Stay objective here.

In highschool, many kids have that same record. Obama smoked weed who cares? Bush smoked weed, was a drunk and horrible driver? Did that ever stop  him from being president? Do not assume someones purpose in life...anyones. Zimmermans no angel when it comes to his record as well provoking cops into a fight in 2006, but I didn't have to talk about that. I was trying to keep this objective. I cannot stand Nancy Grace, but in her prosecutor ways she dug that up and other things on Zimmerman if you listen to multiple sources. She was riding the prosecution for doing such a horrible job.

Wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore, but this is just ridiculous. Do your research on this topic. There is a breadth of information available on both sides about their past. Stop listening to propagandist nonsense.

Some facts about Trayvon: 3 times suspended - drugs, graffiti, truancy. The graffiti charge was in conjunction with police finding women's jewelry in his backpack, which he claimed was a friend's who he refused to name. How convenient.

To address the Zimmerman "provoking cops into a fight":

He was at a bar with a friend who an undercover cop thought was underaged so he pulled them aside. Zimmerman, not knowing this person was a cop, pushed him because he didn't know what the hell this random person was doing to his friend.

Now that you have some objective truths, maybe you'll stop supplementing your nonsense.

Thanks.

We also know that trayvon was kicked out of his home because of problems with his mom. We also know he was getting in fights through text messages. We also know Trayvon was dealing through texts. We also know he was looking to find a gun illegally.... through texts.

I didn't know thats what GZ was arrested for. LOL no wonder those charges were dropped



Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
 

Its weird that you bring up skin color. Trayvon had on a hoody with long sleeves and long pants so it wouldn't really matter what skin color he was being that the majority of his skin was covered up. If he did in fact leap out of the bush, Zimmerman would've heard him because the bushes were small and pushed up against the houses so he would've heard him as he rubbed against the bush and he would've saw him run up to Zimmerman

I just dont believe he hid behind the bush to ambush Zimmerman. I think he would've been noticed beforehand if he did

There was only so many places you could hide in that T area if somebody like a neighneighborhood watch was looking for them. The only places you could really hide is the bushes so of course Zimmerman would've kept an eye on each pair of bushes that he passed by.

There is no use to continue the conversation because you realised that you can't argue against the speculation ;)

Why would somebody jump out of a bush and attempt to fight somebody while they are on the phone? And why would he just blindly try to kill Zimmerman all of a sudden for no reason? He attempted to grab your gun to kill you but there were no fingerprints on the gun from Trayvon?

There is a lot of speculation that can be made and you can feel free to speculate whatever you want but i feel like i came up with the best possible speculation that can be made lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nSGb6waE8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA


Its weird that I bring up skin color because dark skin and dark night isn't relevant? Like your thought process for this whole thing is obviously "make a judgement and use reverse logic to back it up and only use the poor evidnece that back ups my claim"

You are assuming a whole lot that GZ would hear anything. Like it is mind boggling how you come to your conclusions. You are so convinced with what you say is true but have nothing to back it up. No. GZ probably wouldnt have heard anything. I don't even know where you get your information from.

You know bushes have 4 sides and "right up against the house" is only one side and the side facing the sidewalk is another side... that leaves two sides.... One is usually against the fence... oh look I found a side not up against anything that could easily be hidden behind. Oh yeah he would have seen trayvon approach him from behind /rolls eyes.

There is no use in this conversation because you made up your mind already. In the other thread before you knew anything you said "oh this case doesn't make sense because of such and such" then you come up with Jeantels testimony and all of a sudden you are convinced that GZ was guity.

Hmmm...

 

I forgot all about this

 

Why did you wait this long to reply back? Why are you Still trying to go on and on about this? 

 

You really can't handle my opinion and speculation on this huh?

 

This really bothers you THAT much, Max?

 

This convo has BEEN over..



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o_O.Q said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Thank god justice prevailed and this man was found innocent of all charges. An emotional trial by media and a witch hunt of Zimmerman shooting dead an apparent innocent African-American 17 year old teenage boy. Trayvon was made out to be this holier than thou golden child/angel who did no wrong. Thank god the judge and the jury looked at all the evidence presented and made the right decision to find Zimmerman innocent of all charges.


"Trayvon was made out to be this holier than thou golden child/angel who did no wrong"

yes and the same cannot be said for zimmerman i suppose especially when viewing the footage of the interview one of the jurors did with CNN

who kept saying stuff along the lines of "he was trying to do the right thing" "his heart was in the right place" etc etc etc


Crazy how these two became champions like they did.  On one hand, we have a weed smoking, suspended, bag full of possibly stolen jewelry having dead kid.  On the other hand, we have a gun toting, lying (like how he and his wife lied about money using secret codes) domestic violence/cop assaulting guy.

Somehow, the country divided itself amongst these two.  I think we were all bamboozled.



enditall727 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
 

Its weird that you bring up skin color. Trayvon had on a hoody with long sleeves and long pants so it wouldn't really matter what skin color he was being that the majority of his skin was covered up. If he did in fact leap out of the bush, Zimmerman would've heard him because the bushes were small and pushed up against the houses so he would've heard him as he rubbed against the bush and he would've saw him run up to Zimmerman

I just dont believe he hid behind the bush to ambush Zimmerman. I think he would've been noticed beforehand if he did

There was only so many places you could hide in that T area if somebody like a neighneighborhood watch was looking for them. The only places you could really hide is the bushes so of course Zimmerman would've kept an eye on each pair of bushes that he passed by.

There is no use to continue the conversation because you realised that you can't argue against the speculation ;)

Why would somebody jump out of a bush and attempt to fight somebody while they are on the phone? And why would he just blindly try to kill Zimmerman all of a sudden for no reason? He attempted to grab your gun to kill you but there were no fingerprints on the gun from Trayvon?

There is a lot of speculation that can be made and you can feel free to speculate whatever you want but i feel like i came up with the best possible speculation that can be made lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nSGb6waE8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA


Its weird that I bring up skin color because dark skin and dark night isn't relevant? Like your thought process for this whole thing is obviously "make a judgement and use reverse logic to back it up and only use the poor evidnece that back ups my claim"

You are assuming a whole lot that GZ would hear anything. Like it is mind boggling how you come to your conclusions. You are so convinced with what you say is true but have nothing to back it up. No. GZ probably wouldnt have heard anything. I don't even know where you get your information from.

You know bushes have 4 sides and "right up against the house" is only one side and the side facing the sidewalk is another side... that leaves two sides.... One is usually against the fence... oh look I found a side not up against anything that could easily be hidden behind. Oh yeah he would have seen trayvon approach him from behind /rolls eyes.

There is no use in this conversation because you made up your mind already. In the other thread before you knew anything you said "oh this case doesn't make sense because of such and such" then you come up with Jeantels testimony and all of a sudden you are convinced that GZ was guity.

Hmmm...

 

I forgot all about this

 

Why did you wait this long to reply back? Why are you Still trying to go on and on about this? 

 

You really can't handle my opinion and speculation on this huh?

 

This really bothers you THAT much, Max?

 

This convo has BEEN over..

I waited this long because you people need to be educated.



Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
 

Its weird that you bring up skin color. Trayvon had on a hoody with long sleeves and long pants so it wouldn't really matter what skin color he was being that the majority of his skin was covered up. If he did in fact leap out of the bush, Zimmerman would've heard him because the bushes were small and pushed up against the houses so he would've heard him as he rubbed against the bush and he would've saw him run up to Zimmerman

I just dont believe he hid behind the bush to ambush Zimmerman. I think he would've been noticed beforehand if he did

There was only so many places you could hide in that T area if somebody like a neighneighborhood watch was looking for them. The only places you could really hide is the bushes so of course Zimmerman would've kept an eye on each pair of bushes that he passed by.

There is no use to continue the conversation because you realised that you can't argue against the speculation ;)

Why would somebody jump out of a bush and attempt to fight somebody while they are on the phone? And why would he just blindly try to kill Zimmerman all of a sudden for no reason? He attempted to grab your gun to kill you but there were no fingerprints on the gun from Trayvon?

There is a lot of speculation that can be made and you can feel free to speculate whatever you want but i feel like i came up with the best possible speculation that can be made lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nSGb6waE8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA


Its weird that I bring up skin color because dark skin and dark night isn't relevant? Like your thought process for this whole thing is obviously "make a judgement and use reverse logic to back it up and only use the poor evidnece that back ups my claim"

You are assuming a whole lot that GZ would hear anything. Like it is mind boggling how you come to your conclusions. You are so convinced with what you say is true but have nothing to back it up. No. GZ probably wouldnt have heard anything. I don't even know where you get your information from.

You know bushes have 4 sides and "right up against the house" is only one side and the side facing the sidewalk is another side... that leaves two sides.... One is usually against the fence... oh look I found a side not up against anything that could easily be hidden behind. Oh yeah he would have seen trayvon approach him from behind /rolls eyes.

There is no use in this conversation because you made up your mind already. In the other thread before you knew anything you said "oh this case doesn't make sense because of such and such" then you come up with Jeantels testimony and all of a sudden you are convinced that GZ was guity.

Hmmm...

 

I forgot all about this

 

Why did you wait this long to reply back? Why are you Still trying to go on and on about this? 

 

You really can't handle my opinion and speculation on this huh?

 

This really bothers you THAT much, Max?

 

This convo has BEEN over..

I waited this long because you people need to be educated.

Educated about what?



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George Zimmerman has saved 5 lives in 29 years... what a great guy



Max King of the Wild said:
kaneada said:

Actually, you're wrong on this point. The police did not tell him to do anything, dispatch told him which is not a legally binding order. Dispatch has no legal authority to do anything...Despite that, the conclusion that he followed Treyvon is contrary to the evdience which said the altercation happened 70 yards from Treyvons car and 20 yards from the vehicle that Zimmerman was driving...our justice system did not fail...murder of any kind is hard to proove and that standard is high for a reason. 

The dispatcher didn't even tell him not to. Wording is very important here. They said "we don't need you to do that" and never said "Don't do that." And at that point Zimmerman said okay and he was going back to the car and to have the cops call him when they are on scene so he can tell them exactly where he was.

Well, regardless of the wording in this situation, the end result is still that dispatch can not issue legally binding orders. They are not officiers of the law...whether they suggested or flat out told him not to he had no obligation to listen and therefore even if he did follow him he did nothing illegal at this point...so the wording does not matter in this situation...the only way that Zimmerman could have been in the wrong is if he assaulted Treyvon, which there is no evidence to suggest...at any rate Zimmerman did nothing illegal in this situation that could be proved to a reasonable standard.



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