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J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.

Why couldn't he have said that? Because he was a thug??

It was totally believable. Watch the re-enactment of the crime scene. You could easily tell Zimmerman is telling the truth.

Trevyon felt he had been shot in the chest and he immediatley gives up and says "you got me", as in "I give up" or "please no more" since he was taken by surprise and realizing he was overpowered by a gun that threathens his life.



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dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


I don't think the guy is guilty of murder, because it was an accident. That said, it was a stupid accident created from Zimmerman's stupidity and probably some of his ego.

Are you a police officer? No? Then stop pretending to be one and leave the actual police work for real trained police officers (something Zimmerman couldn't apparently cut the mustard as).

No one needs you running around like an idiot getting into gun fights with unarmed kids who are just trying to walk home.



Slimebeast said:

Why couldn't he have said that? Because he was a thug??

It was totally believable. Watch the re-enactment of the crime scene. You could easily tell Zimmerman is telling the truth.

Trevyon felt he had been shot in the chest and he immediatley gives up and says "you got me", as in "I give up" or "please no more" since he was taken by surprise and realizing he was overpowered by a gun that threathens his life.

He was a thug? You knew Trayvon Martin personally? I haven't seen anything that would make him a thug. Maybe we have definitions of thug. Aaron Hernandez is a thug. Trayvon Martin just seemed like the typical punk teenager.

And no one talks like that. No matter what ridiculous slur/descriptor you want to slap onto them. Either way, Zimmerman changed his story on this and isn't even sure of what he said after he shot him. He could have just as easily been saying "you shot me". Too bad the only person who knows is rotting in the ground ;)



Soundwave said:
J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.


Exactly, this guy couldn't cut the mustard as an actual cop, but probably because of his own insecurities, decided he still wanted to play cop. To prove something to himself or whatever sad story he has.

But police work is serious business, if you don't have the training, do everyone a freaking favor and just stick to calling 911 and leave it at that. We don't need you playing John McClaine when you don't know what the hell you're doing and panic at the sight of an annoyed 17-year-old coming at you.

You are asking for bad situation to occur, and sure enough that's exactly what happened, and this dunce didn't even accomplish anything worthwhile for the community. This kid was just walking home, that's it (congrats for saving everyone from that danger).

But the young man didn't ask for a bad situation to occur when he slammed the older man into the ground and started to pound his face with fists?

It's not illegal to check out and follow a stranger you think looks suspicious. I don't see anything morally wrong with that either, especially in your own neighborhood.

But it's illegal to viciously assault someone and smack him in the face.



J_Allard said:
Slimebeast said:

Why couldn't he have said that? Because he was a thug??

It was totally believable. Watch the re-enactment of the crime scene. You could easily tell Zimmerman is telling the truth.

Trevyon felt he had been shot in the chest and he immediatley gives up and says "you got me", as in "I give up" or "please no more" since he was taken by surprise and realizing he was overpowered by a gun that threathens his life.

He was a thug? You knew Trayvon Martin personally? I haven't seen anything that would make him a thug. Maybe we have definitions of thug. Aaron Hernandez is a thug. Trayvon Martin just seemed like the typical punk teenager.

And no one talks like that. No matter what ridiculous slur/descriptor you want to slap onto them. Either way, Zimmerman changed his story on this and isn't even sure of what he said after he shot him. He could have just as easily been saying "you shot me". Too bad the only person who knows is rotting in the ground ;)

So you know Trayvon wasn't a thug, but you do know that he couldn't possibly have said "you got me"?

And so what if he in reality said "you shot me". What difference does it make? Why would Zimmerman lie about that and purposelly change "you shot me" into "you got me".



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dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


Since the evidence clearly leads to 'not guilty', it is necessary to avoid said evidence in order to maintain their point of view.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:
J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.


Exactly, this guy couldn't cut the mustard as an actual cop, but probably because of his own insecurities, decided he still wanted to play cop. To prove something to himself or whatever sad story he has.

But police work is serious business, if you don't have the training, do everyone a freaking favor and just stick to calling 911 and leave it at that. We don't need you playing John McClaine when you don't know what the hell you're doing and panic at the sight of an annoyed 17-year-old coming at you.

You are asking for bad situation to occur, and sure enough that's exactly what happened, and this dunce didn't even accomplish anything worthwhile for the community. This kid was just walking home, that's it (congrats for saving everyone from that danger).

But the young man didn't ask for a bad situation to occur when he slammed the older man into the ground and started to pound his face with fists?

It's not illegal to check out and follow a stranger you think looks suspicious. I don't see anything morally wrong with that either, especially in your own neighborhood.

But it's illegal to viciously assault someone and smack him in the face.


It's not illegal to walk into a nightclub and hit on every woman in front of their boyfriend either. You probably will get your ass beat before the night is done though.

We have social/societal customs too, not everything is a law. Most people do not take kindly to being followed around for no apparent reason by an unidentified person. Most people will feel threatened if they are being followed by someone especially at night.

Unless you are an actual cop, stop playing police officer. There's a reason why police officers have to be trained for their job and it's to handle situations like this. There's a reason why police officers also wear uniforms or identify themselves, to avoid misunderstandings.

Go ahead and follow someone around the street and tell them "don't worry, I'm not a cop, I'm just following you to see if you're about to commit a criminal act" ... you'll probably get slapped upside the head (or worse) sooner or later.



Slimebeast said:
Some people really think you have the right to physically assault a person just because he is following you for a few minutes. This is totally new to me. This is shocking.

Such twisted and dangerous sense of morals.


I don't think it was a sense of morals like that. You mean to tell me that if you saw someone following you in a car at night adn you ran away adn they STILL followed you got out of the car to find you, then found you and approached you that you would be fine with it and feel safe? With EVERYTHING going on in the world, people killing strangers, robbing them, rapping them, kidnapping them you would just be like oh it's nothing?

I know you are a VERY sensible poster on here but come on man that isn't assault from someone just following you it is you feel you are in danger. Also considering the fact that Zimmerman SUPPOSEDLY grabbed him.

There are WAY to many holes in teh case that is why he got off and the prosecution did not fight hard enough.

Lastly to the person who put a pic of Trayvon up...there is a 13yr old in my church who is 6'3 a good 220 or 230? Does that make him a man? No he is STILL a child. Trayvon was a young adult not a child I can admit I was wrong about that. But again this case is just weird in general and a tragedy and should be left at that.



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J_Allard said:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martins-last-words-were-you-got-me/

Police report is right there. Last words, "you got me". Of course, I am sure Zimmerman lated changed/added to it, as he did many other things surrounding the encounter ;)

No, he's been pretty consistent about Martin saying along those lines. But, you know, it can be a colloquial way of saying, "You understand me." As in, you understand not to follow me now.

You are interpreting it in the silliest way possible, and then using your own interpretation to "prove" that Zimmerman is lying about what Martin said.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:
J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.


Exactly, this guy couldn't cut the mustard as an actual cop, but probably because of his own insecurities, decided he still wanted to play cop. To prove something to himself or whatever sad story he has.

But police work is serious business, if you don't have the training, do everyone a freaking favor and just stick to calling 911 and leave it at that. We don't need you playing John McClaine when you don't know what the hell you're doing and panic at the sight of an annoyed 17-year-old coming at you.

You are asking for bad situation to occur, and sure enough that's exactly what happened, and this dunce didn't even accomplish anything worthwhile for the community. This kid was just walking home, that's it (congrats for saving everyone from that danger).

But the young man didn't ask for a bad situation to occur when he slammed the older man into the ground and started to pound his face with fists?

It's not illegal to check out and follow a stranger you think looks suspicious. I don't see anything morally wrong with that either, especially in your own neighborhood.

But it's illegal to viciously assault someone and smack him in the face.


It's not illegal to walk into a nightclub and hit on every woman in front of their boyfriend either. You probably will get your bell rung before the night is done though.

We have social/societal customs too, not everything is a law. Most people do not take kindly to being followed around for no apparent reason by an unidentified person.

Unless you are an actual cop, stop playing police officer. There's a reason why police officers have to be trained for their job and it's to handle situations like this. There's a reason why police officers also wear uniforms or identify themselves, to avoid misunderstandings.

Go ahead and follow someone around the street and tell them "don't worry, I'm not a cop, I'm just following you to see if you're about to commit a criminal act" ... you'll probably get slapped upside the head (or worse) sooner or later.

Add another one to your list...

If you go to confront somebody, do it verbally. Don't knock them down and proceed to beat their head into the concrete.

...

Mistakes were made on both sides, a young man is dead, a family is greiving, Zimmerman will have to live in hiding for a long time, the Jury made the right decision based on law and evidence. It's a tragedy all around.