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timmah said:
drunk said:
timmah said:

He was not stalking by the legal definition of the word, so stop using that term, stalking requires proof of intent to inflict harm or legitimate threat, this was not the case. Zimmerman's clearly stated intent was to keep track of Martin until the police arrived. Zimmerman did not inflict harm until he was being beaten and felt he was in danger of serious harm or death.

Followning a 'suspicious' person in the dark is dumb, but not illegal. Beating somebody just for following you is dumb... and illegal (there are non-violent, verbal ways to confront somebody). Shooting somebody who is in the process of beating you down when you feel your life is in danger is neither dumb nor illegal. It's pretty simple.

There was not enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt, that is also pretty simple

you keep talking about things after the fact.  i'm talking about the moment.  at that specific moment Zimmerman is a stalker whether you like it or not.   he's a stranger that keeps following someone who didn't do anything.   things got settled and information came out after the fact, but not at that moment.    you sound like someone on the defense team for muggers and rapists.

The prosecution didn't charge him with stalking. By the legal definition of the word, he was not at any time a 'stalker'. There is no two ways about it, really. Again, you have to look at legal definitions when dealing with a court case, following and stalking are very different things and have to do with intent. Unless intent can be proven, the term stalking does not apply. You have absolutely no argument on that term if the prosecution didn't even charge him with it.


like i said, i'm talking about in the moment.  at that moment there are no news reports about zimmerman.  they are complete strangers.  and maybe he turned out not to be a bonifide stalker after the facts.  but at that moment he exhibited all the traits of a stalker.   and at night when alone, it would be stupid to think otherwise.  or do you think he should have asked his stalker if he's gonna mug him?  and if a stalker really did turn out to be a criminal then what? 



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The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.



drunk said:
timmah said:
drunk said:

you keep talking about things after the fact.  i'm talking about the moment.  at that specific moment Zimmerman is a stalker whether you like it or not.   he's a stranger that keeps following someone who didn't do anything.   things got settled and information came out after the fact, but not at that moment.    you sound like someone on the defense team for muggers and rapists.

The prosecution didn't charge him with stalking. By the legal definition of the word, he was not at any time a 'stalker'. There is no two ways about it, really. Again, you have to look at legal definitions when dealing with a court case, following and stalking are very different things and have to do with intent. Unless intent can be proven, the term stalking does not apply. You have absolutely no argument on that term if the prosecution didn't even charge him with it.


like i said, i'm talking about in the moment.  at that moment there are no news reports about zimmerman.  they are complete strangers.  and maybe he turned out not to be a bonifide stalker after the facts.  but at that moment he exhibited all the traits of a stalker.   and at night when alone, it would be stupid to think otherwise.  or do you think he should have asked his stalker if he's gonna mug him?  and if a stalker really did turn out to be a criminal then what? 

There were 4 minutes in between when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, and when Trayvon attacked him. During that time, Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was going back to his truck to meet the cops. Those 4 minutes were plenty for Trayvon to get to his house just around the corner, instead he doubled back and attacked Zimmerman (so you could then argue that Trayvon was the stalker 'at that moment'). Again, this is really not rocket science. REASONABLE DOUBT... look it up.



Some people really think you have the right to physically assault a person just because he is following you for a few minutes. This is totally new to me. This is shocking.

Such twisted and dangerous sense of morals.



not knowing why someone might be following you doesnt automatically make them a stalker and give you the right to attack them..

zimmerman saw something suspicious, reported it to the police, and followed TM. No part of that is illegal or considered hostile or violent.

TM had 3 options, 2 of which are legal, 1 which is not. He can keep going on his way home and call the police. He can turn around and ask why are you following me, can i help clear anything up. Or he can turn around and attack him. which one is illegal? and which one did he choose?

At a very young age i was taught never to get into an altercation with someone you dont know. They might have a gun. And im from freaking Canada. I would think that would be even more true living in a state like florida.



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Slimebeast said:
Some people really think you have the right to physically assault a person just because he is following you for a few minutes. This is totally new to me. This is shocking.

Such twisted and dangerous sense of morals.


There's a reason why people who follow others around the street are considered weirdos.

Don't play cops and robbers if you're not an actual freaking cop. You're asking (more like begging) for a situation to get out of control and for a misunderstanding to arise.

This guy may be free, but he's going to have to live with the fact that a kid is dead at his hands because basically he initiated a situation that didn't need to be initiated in the first place.

I don't think he meant to kill the kid, but at the same time he's an idiot for creating a situation in which something like this could happen. Leave the police work to actual trained police officers.



timmah said:
drunk said:
timmah said:
drunk said:
timmah said:

He was not stalking by the legal definition of the word, so stop using that term, stalking requires proof of intent to inflict harm or legitimate threat, this was not the case. Zimmerman's clearly stated intent was to keep track of Martin until the police arrived. Zimmerman did not inflict harm until he was being beaten and felt he was in danger of serious harm or death.

Followning a 'suspicious' person in the dark is dumb, but not illegal. Beating somebody just for following you is dumb... and illegal (there are non-violent, verbal ways to confront somebody). Shooting somebody who is in the process of beating you down when you feel your life is in danger is neither dumb nor illegal. It's pretty simple.

There was not enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt, that is also pretty simple

you keep talking about things after the fact.  i'm talking about the moment.  at that specific moment Zimmerman is a stalker whether you like it or not.   he's a stranger that keeps following someone who didn't do anything.   things got settled and information came out after the fact, but not at that moment.    you sound like someone on the defense team for muggers and rapists.

The prosecution didn't charge him with stalking. By the legal definition of the word, he was not at any time a 'stalker'. There is no two ways about it, really. Again, you have to look at legal definitions when dealing with a court case, following and stalking are very different things and have to do with intent. Unless intent can be proven, the term stalking does not apply. You have absolutely no argument on that term if the prosecution didn't even charge him with it.


like i said, i'm talking about in the moment.  at that moment there are no news reports about zimmerman.  they are complete strangers.  and maybe he turned out not to be a bonifide stalker after the facts.  but at that moment he exhibited all the traits of a stalker.   and at night when alone, it would be stupid to think otherwise.  or do you think he should have asked his stalker if he's gonna mug him?  and if a stalker really did turn out to be a criminal then what? 

There were 4 minutes in between when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, and when Trayvon attacked him. During that time, Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was going back to his truck to meet the cops. Those 4 minutes were plenty for Trayvon to get to his house just around the corner, instead he doubled back and attacked Zimmerman (so you could then argue that Trayvon was the stalker 'at that moment'). Again, this is really not rocket science.

lol zimmerman's words?  there's always two sides of the story.  convenient to kill the only other witness.  people despise being stalked.  or are you the only person that likes it?  guarantee it will always illicit a negative response... except from you.



Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.



J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.


Exactly, this guy couldn't cut the mustard as an actual cop, but probably because of his own insecurities, decided he still wanted to play cop. To prove something to himself or whatever sad story he has.

But police work is serious business, if you don't have the training, do everyone a freaking favor and just stick to calling 911 and leave it at that. We don't need you playing John McClaine when you don't know what the hell you're doing and panic at the sight of an annoyed 17-year-old coming at you.

You are asking for bad situation to occur, and sure enough that's exactly what happened, and this dunce didn't even accomplish anything worthwhile for the community. This kid was just walking home, that's it (congrats for saving everyone from that danger).



so a guy walks into a bank with a ski mask because he was cold... gets tackled to floor by security and cracks his skull. OHMEOHMY, why should someone have to get beat up only because he wore a ski mask to keep warm. guess what? ski mask as connections to bank robber.... stalkers have connection to muggers/rapists. you don't want stupid things to happen? then don't do stupid things