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Soundwave on 15 July 2013
timmah said:
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:
J_Allard said:
Soundwave said:

The Zimmerman guy is a moron either way. Unless you're a social retard, don't go around following people ... most people are not going to take kindly to be followed, most people know better.

Leave the actual police work to real police officers, who can identify themselves as such. Otherwise you are just asking for a situation where there is a misunderstanding and hostility can ramp up quickly, which is from what I can tell exactly what happened and Zimmerman then realized he was in over his head.

That's the problem with Zimmerman, he tried multiple times to become an actual cop and was denied each time. Imagine some of the cops we all know who have abuse of power issues. Now imagine someone like that is reduced to heading up a neighborhood watch. Of course he is going to be bitter and go too far with people. ie, following them around, confronting them, among other things he knows he is not supposed to do per the guidelines of his watch program.

And LOL @ above whoever was posting quotes from Zimmerman about what Trayvon said to him. There are so many different accounts of what was said, so many backtracks and contradictions. The dude actually tried to say when he shot Trayvon, that Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me :( " as if this is an old western movie or something. Believe that a guy who starts a fight with a kid can shoot that kid dead because the kid is kicking his ass all you want.. don't believe a word Zimmerman says though. Don't stoop to that level of gullibility.


Exactly, this guy couldn't cut the mustard as an actual cop, but probably because of his own insecurities, decided he still wanted to play cop. To prove something to himself or whatever sad story he has.

But police work is serious business, if you don't have the training, do everyone a freaking favor and just stick to calling 911 and leave it at that. We don't need you playing John McClaine when you don't know what the hell you're doing and panic at the sight of an annoyed 17-year-old coming at you.

You are asking for bad situation to occur, and sure enough that's exactly what happened, and this dunce didn't even accomplish anything worthwhile for the community. This kid was just walking home, that's it (congrats for saving everyone from that danger).

But the young man didn't ask for a bad situation to occur when he slammed the older man into the ground and started to pound his face with fists?

It's not illegal to check out and follow a stranger you think looks suspicious. I don't see anything morally wrong with that either, especially in your own neighborhood.

But it's illegal to viciously assault someone and smack him in the face.


It's not illegal to walk into a nightclub and hit on every woman in front of their boyfriend either. You probably will get your bell rung before the night is done though.

We have social/societal customs too, not everything is a law. Most people do not take kindly to being followed around for no apparent reason by an unidentified person.

Unless you are an actual cop, stop playing police officer. There's a reason why police officers have to be trained for their job and it's to handle situations like this. There's a reason why police officers also wear uniforms or identify themselves, to avoid misunderstandings.

Go ahead and follow someone around the street and tell them "don't worry, I'm not a cop, I'm just following you to see if you're about to commit a criminal act" ... you'll probably get slapped upside the head (or worse) sooner or later.

Add another one to your list...

If you go to confront somebody, do it verbally. Don't knock them down and proceed to beat their head into the concrete.

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Mistakes were made on both sides, the Jury made the right decision based on law and evidence. It's a tragedy all around.

Following someone around unprovoked in the middle of the night IMO is akin to a threat. You should have the common sense not to do it unless you're socially retarded.

Unfortunately in this case, someone paid the price with their life for basically a misunderstanding.



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TheBlackNaruto on 15 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


I have to say though...if Zimmerman did not confront him then how else did they come in to contact? I mean Trayvon wasn't following him he was fllowing Tayvon. That is the thing that bothers me more than anything else. Because if THIS did not happen then the rest is just irrelevant and would not have happened.



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J_Allard on 15 July 2013
Slimebeast said:

So you know Trayvon wasn't a thug, but you do know that he couldn't possibly have said "you got me"?

And so what if he in reality said "you shot me". What difference does it make? Why would Zimmerman lie about that and purposelly change "you shot me" into "you got me".

I didn't say I know Trayvon wasn't a thug. I said we have different definitions of thug. If some bad behavior as a teenager and some stupid social network posts makes someone a thug, then I hate to break it to you guys but a majority of teenagers are thugs then. I guess they all deserve to be stalked and shot dead.

And there is a world of difference between "you got me" and "you shot me". For one, "you shot me" would directly contradict Zimmerman's own account of what happened, because it would imply surprise that Zimmerman was armed and that he shot the kid. Among many other reasons so blatantly obvious, they shouldn't need to be pointed out.

Like I said, it's ok though. Others have called George out for the sheer lunacy of a 17 year old kid saying "you got me" and he has changed his story. So it's ok ;)



timmah on 15 July 2013
Soundwave said:
timmah said:

Add another one to your list...

If you go to confront somebody, do it verbally. Don't knock them down and proceed to beat their head into the concrete.

...

Mistakes were made on both sides, the Jury made the right decision based on law and evidence. It's a tragedy all around.

Following someone around unprovoked in the middle of the night IMO is akin to a threat. You should have the common sense not to do it unless you're socially retarded.

Unfortunately in this case, someone paid the price with their life for basically a misunderstanding.

7PM I believe. I agree that Zimmerman should not have done that, but the verdict was about what the law says, not whether somebody made a poor (but not illegal) decision to follow.



J_Allard on 15 July 2013
badgenome said:
J_Allard said:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martins-last-words-were-you-got-me/

Police report is right there. Last words, "you got me". Of course, I am sure Zimmerman lated changed/added to it, as he did many other things surrounding the encounter ;)

No, he's been pretty consistent about Martin saying along those lines. But, you know, it can be a colloquial way of saying, "You understand me." As in, you understand not to follow me now.

You are interpreting it in the silliest way possible, and then using your own interpretation to "prove" that Zimmerman is lying about what Martin said.

The only way to interpret it is the silliest way possible. It's just that silly of a thing to say.

I think we all know phrases can have different meaning and "you got me" can be taken various ways, but there's really only one way to take "you got me" directly after being shot. Your interpretation makes sense when the alleged fight started or was going on. It makes absolutely no sense after Zimmerman got his ass kicked and brought his gun out in a fist fight. Just use a little common sense is all.

And again, as I told the other guy, Zimmerman changed his tune anyway. He agrees with me. Not going to bicker with you guys about it anymore.



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secpierre34 on 15 July 2013
McDonaldsGuy said:
secpierre34 said:
 

In other news, out of florida. A lady shot a warning shot at her husband because the latter was threatening her, which he testified. She is now spending 20 years in prison. Zimmerman felt threatened and shot a much younger fellow who did not ask to be bothered in the first place, and now he is free. There seems to be some inconsistency when you look at both stories, what does the law say


First of all, the stories are totally different.

The lady and her husband just divorced, and she was going to his house to pick up some clothes. She did not expect him to be there. He was, and so were their children. So they started to argue. She went outside to her car, grabbed her gun, and went back in the house. She fired a shot that hit a wall which was right next to her children. She eventually left.

She was going to get 3 years in jail only, but she decided to try Stand Your Ground and instead got 20 years for child endangerment and attempted assault or something like that.

Please do not let the media manipulate yourself, especially when you have access to the internet.

No I think the media is manipulating you, her husband did in fact threatened to kill her. He testified doing so, albeit saying that he didn't mean it, nevertheless he threatened her. And if she felt threatened then. Stand your ground, shoot the fucker even if you brought it on yourself you are right. Ask Zimmerman, he knows.



Soundwave on 15 July 2013
timmah said:
Soundwave said:
timmah said:

Add another one to your list...

If you go to confront somebody, do it verbally. Don't knock them down and proceed to beat their head into the concrete.

...

Mistakes were made on both sides, the Jury made the right decision based on law and evidence. It's a tragedy all around.

Following someone around unprovoked in the middle of the night IMO is akin to a threat. You should have the common sense not to do it unless you're socially retarded.

Unfortunately in this case, someone paid the price with their life for basically a misunderstanding.

7PM I believe. I agree that Zimmerman should not have done that, but the verdict was about what the law says, not whether somebody made a poor (but not illegal) decision to follow.


And I agree with the verdict. I still think Zimmerman is a colossal f*cking idiot though and is the root cause of a kid being dead when he shouldn't be dead.

Leave the hero complex on the shelf at home and let actual police officers do their job. If this guy failed in his attempts to pass police training, there probably was a damn good reason for it.

It was an accident based primarily on his stupidity I think, I don't think he deserved to be locked up for life for that, that said I won't shed any tears if he gets taken to the cleaners in a civil trial.



timmah on 15 July 2013
TheBlackNaruto said:
dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


I have to say though...if Zimmerman did not confront him then how else did they come in to contact? I mean Trayvon wasn't following him he was fllowing Tayvon. That is the thing that bothers me more than anything else. Because if THIS did not happen then the rest is just irrelevant and would not have happened.

Following is not the same thing as a confrontation.There was 4 minutes between when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and when the altercation occured according to the dispatch call. During this time (and right before the attack), Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was heading back to his truck to meet police. It sounds like Trayvon confronted Martin for following him earlier, and the fight ensued. From the physical evidence, it appears that Trayvon was the only one doing any punching. Are you saying it's impossible in that 4 minutes for Trayvon to have hidden and/or started following Zimmerman instead? Since he attacked Z after this 4 minute window, we can assume reasonably that his intent in hiding during that 4 minutes was to wait for a time to confront and attack Z, not to get home safely or go for help (which he could have done in that time). If he was pissed off enough to beat Z's head into the concrete (which was corroborated by physical evidence and eyewitness testimony by the way), is there no way that he was also pissed off enough to be the one to start the confrontation?



timmah on 15 July 2013
Soundwave said:
timmah said:

7PM I believe. I agree that Zimmerman should not have done that, but the verdict was about what the law says, not whether somebody made a poor (but not illegal) decision to follow.


And I agree with the verdict. I still think Zimmerman is a colossal f*cking idiot though and is the root cause of a kid being dead when he shouldn't be dead.

Leave the hero complex on the shelf at home and let actual police officers do their job. If this guy failed in his attempts to pass police training, there probably was a damn good reason for it.

It was an accident based primarily on his stupidity I think, I don't think he deserved to be locked up for life for that, that said I won't shed any tears if he gets taken to the cleaners in a civil trial.

Gotcha, then we're actually on the same page. I'm simply trying to debate the verdict in the criminal trial, which was the right one. The parents have every right to sue him if they'd like, especially if/when he makes big bucks on a book deal for all this.



Soundwave on 15 July 2013
timmah said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


I have to say though...if Zimmerman did not confront him then how else did they come in to contact? I mean Trayvon wasn't following him he was fllowing Tayvon. That is the thing that bothers me more than anything else. Because if THIS did not happen then the rest is just irrelevant and would not have happened.

Following is not the same thing as a confrontation.There was 4 minutes between when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and when the altercation occured according to the dispatch call. During this time (and right before the attack), Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was heading back to his truck to meet police. It sounds like Trayvon confronted Martin for following him earlier, and the fight ensued. From the physical evidence, it appears that Trayvon was the only one doing any punching. Are you saying it's impossible in that 4 minutes for Trayvon to have hidden and/or started following Zimmerman instead? Since he attacked Z after this 4 minute window, we can assume reasonably that his intent in hiding during that 4 minutes was to wait for a time to confront and attack Z, not to get home safely or go for help (which he could have done in that time). If he was pissed off enough to beat Z's head into the concrete (which was corroborated by physical evidence and eyewitness testimony by the way), is there no way that he was also pissed off enough to be the one to start the confrontation?


Following someone during the night time would antagonize most normal people.

Who the hell are you? Why are you following me around? What do you want? Are you some weirdo?

I would have to think that's the normal thought process that goes through someone's mind.

Don't do this people. It's stupid and you're going to get yourself into a bad situation. Leave real police work to real police officers and leave the hero complex at home.

No one cares that your mommy didn't hug you enough when you were little or Nancy Stevenson said no to you when you asked her out to prom. People who have hero complexes like this are often trying to compensate for their own insecurities, but they can't handle a situation when it gets out of control. Zimmerman probably pissed his pants (figuratively) when he was rushed by a 17-year-old kid.

Cops are trained and easily identifiable in this situation for a reason.