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Soundwave on 15 July 2013
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timmah said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
dsgrue3 said:
Just me or are the ones defending Trayvon the most ignorant here?

We have heard several times about cops telling Zimmerman to stop following, even though this never happened.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, even though there is no evidence for this at all.
We have heard several times that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon, even though this is utter nonsense.

I can't deal with the breadth of ineptitude.


I have to say though...if Zimmerman did not confront him then how else did they come in to contact? I mean Trayvon wasn't following him he was fllowing Tayvon. That is the thing that bothers me more than anything else. Because if THIS did not happen then the rest is just irrelevant and would not have happened.

Following is not the same thing as a confrontation.There was 4 minutes between when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and when the altercation occured according to the dispatch call. During this time (and right before the attack), Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was heading back to his truck to meet police. It sounds like Trayvon confronted Martin for following him earlier, and the fight ensued. From the physical evidence, it appears that Trayvon was the only one doing any punching. Are you saying it's impossible in that 4 minutes for Trayvon to have hidden and/or started following Zimmerman instead? Since he attacked Z after this 4 minute window, we can assume reasonably that his intent in hiding during that 4 minutes was to wait for a time to confront and attack Z, not to get home safely or go for help (which he could have done in that time). If he was pissed off enough to beat Z's head into the concrete (which was corroborated by physical evidence and eyewitness testimony by the way), is there no way that he was also pissed off enough to be the one to start the confrontation?


Following someone during the night time would antagonize most normal people.

Who the hell are you? Why are you following me around? What do you want? Are you some weirdo?

I would have to think that's the normal thought process that goes through someone's mind.

Don't do this people. It's stupid and you're going to get yourself into a bad situation. Leave real police work to real police officers and leave the hero complex at home.

No one cares that your mommy didn't hug you enough when you were little or Nancy Stevenson said no to you when you asked her out to prom. People who have hero complexes like this are often trying to compensate for their own insecurities, but they can't handle a situation when it gets out of control. Zimmerman probably pissed his pants (figuratively) when he was rushed by a 17-year-old kid.

Cops are trained and easily identifiable in this situation for a reason.