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Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
 

I don't think so, regarding the race-baiting. Much as we like to try to claim that we're in some sort of post-racial society, Florida clearly has a fair bit of racial bias in play when it comes to "justifiable homicide," (as the flow of statistics regarding Stand Your Ground have demonstrated).

I still don't think it was justifiable, though like many cases that should have gone the other way, it was mis-handled by the prosecution.

Nor do i appreciate the attempt at character assassination, here. I'd claim that was beneath *you*, but...

It's certainly not a post-racial society since we have millions upon millions of people in the West who have set it as their number one goal in life to criticize the behaviour of white people, using double standards on how they judge misdeeds of white people versus minorities.

Our society is currently going through this bizarrely pathological reaction towards its past sins, and it won't be satisfied until the white race is completely humiliated and erased.

It's not a post-racial society because racism hasn't been vanquished. In both Europe and America, it's simply taken on forms that are harder to see, like how a black man is more likely to get the death penalty in a crime, or how these legally justifiable homicides in Florida happen to disproportionately affect black people.

Like the legal argument against provisions of the Voting Rights Act, they may have a case, and their arguments should be considered on their own merits despite the fact that the underlying cause for the argument to begin with is racially colored, but we should acknowledge that we have not solved these problems, and continue to work to solve them. We in America have not gotten as far as we have without both bold action against racism, as well as slow shifting of cultural norms. Both are needed still.

You're avoiding the question a litte, but it's a big topic so it could be left for another time to be discussed in depth.

Or perhaps you're not avoiding perhaps, and I'm afraid it is so, that you are only able to see the wrongs made by white people and your mind is set on that.

Do you accept that all ethnic groups can be racist, not just the white race or traditional Western society?

You claim the legal system is discriminating black people. But do you have facts to back that up? What if black people are disproportionately represented in crime that has death penalty as a consequence? Logically then follows that black people are more likely to get a death penalty.

About the voting rights act. It's the regulations to make it harder to register and vote, right? That question has racial implications, but how can you imply that the core motivation is racial? The core motivation is that typically, no faction of society wants to lose its influence. If I was a republican, and knowing that in politics all sorts of dirty tricks are common, I too might support measures I knew would support a result in elections in my faction's favor.

But if black voters happened to be leaning Republican, you would see the Republicans promote a different kind of Voting Rights Act. So the core motivation is not racial or racist.

Bold actions against racism you say. But you don't see the risk of such a movement going overboard? That if we only see white people care about minority rights, but not so much vice versa, we'll soon see ourselves in a situation we're white people are the ones being discriminated. And no one is defending our rights. (already happened in Sweden, where minorities and foreigners have much stronger legal and societal rights compared to the native population, and the trend is going strongly in a direction where natives soon are sidelined in all areas of society)



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chapset said:

Hahahahahahaha lol you don't need a black belt to punch and kick lol have you ever been in a fight were you didn't use your gun? It doesn't look like what it does in the movies. I love the idea of a 160 teen being able to completely destroy a 28 years old weighting 25 pounds more that has absolutly no other way to defend himself than his weapon.

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Age and weight are not only factors that should be taken into consideration. Funny how ignore Trayvon was also the taller of the two.



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Mr Khan said:

I don't think so, regarding the race-baiting. Much as we like to try to claim that we're in some sort of post-racial society, Florida clearly has a fair bit of racial bias in play when it comes to "justifiable homicide," (as the flow of statistics regarding Stand Your Ground have demonstrated).

I still don't think it was justifiable, though like many cases that should have gone the other way, it was mis-handled by the prosecution.

Nor do i appreciate the attempt at character assassination, here. I'd claim that was beneath *you*, but...

This is not the aggregate, this is a particular case with its own particular set of facts. It deserves more serious consideration than all the "It's okay to kill blacks kids, hurr hurrr" shit we're getting. This also wasn't a stand your ground case, but over half of SYG cases result in people going free regardless of whether or not the decedent is white, so... your race-baiting was still factually wrong.

And it's more like character suicide in your case. There's a pattern of behavior on your part when it comes to "knowing" what other people deserve. You implied that a guy deserved to be killed for holding certain views, and that's not the first time you invoked Mao or some other totalitarian fuck in an approving manner. That's pretty hilarious when you don't think it's justifiable to shoot someone who has broken your nose, mounted you, and is actively wailing away at your face.



Cops are worthless, they do not prevent crimes from occurring, and just make shit worse afterwards. Here is US street police training 101. All black people are niggers, all niggers are dangerous, shooting dangerous people is self defense, all mentally handicapped people will resist arrest, if someone resists arrest they are dangerous, shooting dangerous people is self defense. And so on.

Only people who protect and serve are the military and firemen.



Wow, he just got away with murder. Amazing... -_-

Unfortunately, for him he is going to be sued and there's no 5th amendment protection during a civil trial. His life is also most likely ruined as he will most likely be living in constant fear of "something" happening to him. I guess he should've thought of that before instigating this whole fiasco and killing somebody though.

 

Oh and I guess I can cross Florida off as a place I'd like to visit...I'm staying far away from there.




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chapset said:

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.



badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

I don't think so, regarding the race-baiting. Much as we like to try to claim that we're in some sort of post-racial society, Florida clearly has a fair bit of racial bias in play when it comes to "justifiable homicide," (as the flow of statistics regarding Stand Your Ground have demonstrated).

I still don't think it was justifiable, though like many cases that should have gone the other way, it was mis-handled by the prosecution.

Nor do i appreciate the attempt at character assassination, here. I'd claim that was beneath *you*, but...

This is not the aggregate, this is a particular case with its own particular set of facts. It deserves more serious consideration than all the "It's okay to kill blacks kids, hurr hurrr" shit we're getting. This also wasn't a stand your ground case, but over half of SYG cases result in people going free regardless of whether or not the decedent is white, so... your race-baiting was still factually wrong.

And it's more like character suicide in your case. There's a pattern of behavior on your part when it comes to "knowing" what other people deserve. You implied that a guy deserved to be killed for holding certain views, and that's not the first time you invoked Mao or some other totalitarian fuck in an approving manner. That's pretty hilarious when you don't think it's justifiable to shoot someone who has broken your nose, mounted you, and is actively wailing away at your face.

It's ad hominem, for one.  I admitted to being in error in that instance and letting my emotions get the better of me in that case (and several others), and bringing it up on your part is both inappropriate, irrelevant, and completely unappreciated, and more to the point, risks thread derailment, as it could bring the whole thing into a personal fight.



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I honestly can't tell if he was guilty or innocent. I stopped following the trial after seeing how bad the prosecution was fucking up. I knew then and there that he would be getting off. It doesn't surprise me that he wasn't surprised when the verdict was read. It seemed like that entire trial was being run by a bunch of incompetent people. Wether he's truly innocent or guilty, it all worked to his advantage.



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WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

I would defend myself, lucky for me I know how to kick and punch I would not go grab my gun unless I see a gun or a knife in the hand or in the proximity of the other guy, I know this sound retarded but here in Canada you kinda need to prove you were in iminante danger to be able to kill someone you can't just say to the cop'' I was losing the fight he didn't have a gun or knife but I shoot him anyway, good day''



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WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child. Too bad he started this whole incident. Too bad he had gun. Too bad Trayvan would be alive if Zimmerman would have called the cops and actually wait for them to arrive. Too bad Zimmerman is the one left to tell the story. Too bad.......

I would think the person without the gun would the one whose life was in danger. And guess what.......



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