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Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
chapset said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Quite. If somebody throws a rock through your window, do you respond with a grenade?

But this Merica dude!!! you made me bleed so now I'm gonna blow shit up son!!! no wonder kids keep killing each other instead of just duking it out like we did in my time you know the 2000's

there are less (gun) murders now than there were in the 2000's.

and no you arent allowed to repond to a rock through a window with a hand grenade. but you better believe if somebody is throwing or beating me with that rock, im going to use whatever means necessary to defend myself, that includes using a gun.

you guys are so illogical, and emotional driven, instead of rationally

We have an emotional response to unnecessary loss of human life. Sue us.

yes we all would have prefered noone died. but you cant let an irrational emotion cloud judgement.

i hate loss of life, but when martin decided to assault zimmerman, he opened himslef up to retaliation (with a gun)



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WrathofTank said:
 

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Why would you be following a suspicious looking individual in the dark when you were clearly instructed not to do so and cops are on their way? And then out of the blue be blindsided by an attack and afraid for your life when a conflict takes place?



Mr Puggsly said:
chapset said:

Hahahahahahaha lol you don't need a black belt to punch and kick lol have you ever been in a fight were you didn't use your gun? It doesn't look like what it does in the movies. I love the idea of a 160 teen being able to completely destroy a 28 years old weighting 25 pounds more that has absolutly no other way to defend himself than his weapon.

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Age and weight are not only factors that should be taken into consideration. Funny how ignore Trayvon was also the taller of the two.

age and weight are huge factors when you are in a fight, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, the body of a 28 years old male will be better developed than the one of a 17 year old, the 25 pound weight advantage is also pretty huge compared to that 3 inches Trayvon had over Zimmerman, there is no way Zimmerman had no other choice than to shoot he did it because he live in the States were shooting and asking question later is not as frown upon like it would be in other first world nations



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chapset said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

I would defend myself, lucky for me I know how to kick and punch I would not go grab my gun unless I see a gun or a knife in the hand or in the proximity of the other guy, I know this sound retarded but here in Canada you kinda need to prove you were in iminante danger to be able to kill someone you can't just say to the cop'' I was losing the fight he didn't have a gun or knife but I shoot him anyway, good day''

The scenario I explained above is how many people are murdered, beaten, raped, etc.  They are attacked unexpectely and usually can't defend themselves properly.

It's great that you feel confident in your ability to defend yourself.  Unfortunately with this type of thinking you would likely become a victim of serious bodily injury or death (if put into the scenario mentioned above).  If you had a gun on you and didn't defend yourself from the attacker it would be unwise.



disolitude said:
WrathofTank said:
 

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Why would you be following a suspicious looking individual in the dark when you were clearly instructed not to do so and cops are on their way? And then out of the blue be blindsided by an attack and afraid for your life when a conflict takes place?

I wouldn't, but it isn't a crime to follow someone, and it isn't a crime to continue to do so after the dispatcher told you not to.  The only part that was relevant to the case is when Zimmerman and Martin engadged each other.



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I hope the media has learnt its lesson, at the very least. That's all I care about. I don't put much credence in the legal system of most states, to be honest. Bad people get off every day, but even worse than that, good, innocent people go to prison everyday. So I really don't generalize this case to anything more than what it is: a proper procedure of the justice system considering the facts and evidence at hand.



Mr Khan said:

It's ad hominem, for one.  I admitted to being in error in that instance and letting my emotions get the better of me in that case (and several others), and bringing it up on your part is both inappropriate, irrelevant, and completely unappreciated, and more to the point, risks thread derailment, as it could bring the whole thing into a personal fight.

Irrelevant how? It's perfectly relevant to my pointing out the inconsistency and sickness of your apparent belief that guns are a perfectly fine tool for mass murdering statist shitheads to use against millions FOR GREAT JUSTICE but totally inappropriate for an individual to use in a situation in which they are facing grievous bodily harm and perhaps death.

A single death is a tragedy... and all that, I guess.



disolitude said:
killerzX said:
chapset said:
I didn't know bleeding nose and some scrapes behind the back of the head were reasons enough to use deadly force if that's the case be careful the next time you are involved in a fight.

yes, its called assault, you are allowed to defend yourself from that.

at what point in the beating would you have permitted zimmerman to use lethal force?

Should he have waited until his face was completely fractured, he was spitting up his own teeth, the skin on the back of his head torn, and rubbed raw to the bone?

at what point should he have been allowed to defend himself. for most people, with common sense, you can defend yourself the moment the assault begins.

 

i know if i ever get assaulted, im not waiting until im bloody and broken to defend myself, im shooting him as soon as he attacks me. if i wait, it may very well be to late.


As a civilian neighbourhood watch, who already called the cops for suspicious activity, he had absolutely no business being there and following Treyvon. Its not self defense that I have an issue with, but decisioning that lead to the point of him having to use a gun as self defense.

Youre seeing it as a case of self defense while I see it as very poor judgement that led to having to use a gun for self defense.

Without a gun by his side, does Zimmerman play cowboy and go after Trayvon? Or does he do what he was instructed and supposed to do and wait for cops?

Exactly.

Why are people acting like this kid just came up to him out of the blue and started beating Zimmerman? Zimmerman is the one who innitiated the fight. Yes it wasn't right for Travyon to start beating him but it also wasn't right for Zimmerman to follow a teenager minding his own business with a gun. If you want to use the self defense card, I could also argue that Travyon was feeling threated by being chased by a large man with a gun, and thus acted in self defense. It goes both ways.

You are NOT supposed to take to law in your own hands in this situation. You let the COPS deal with it.



psrock said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child. Too bad he started this whole incident. Too bad he had gun. Too bad Trayvan would be alive if Zimmerman would have called the cops and actually wait for them to arrive. Too bad Zimmerman is the one left to tell the story. Too bad.......

I would think the person without the gun would the one whose life was in danger. And guess what.......

to bad zimmerman was assaulted by a very fit young man. too bad martin was lying in wait to attack zimmerman. to bad martin started the confrontation and assault. to bad he had fists and fighting skills. To bad trayvon would be alive if he just had self control, and didnt needlessly attack someone. fortunately zimmerman is alive to tell the story. too bad...

i would think the guy thats getting pummeled is the one whose life was in danger. and guess what...



Come on you would take a fat non athletic zim who is probably slow against a lean quick athletic 17 year old? I would go with the athletic person