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sc94597 on 14 July 2013
psrock said:
killerzX said:
psrock said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child. Too bad he started this whole incident. Too bad he had gun. Too bad Trayvan would be alive if Zimmerman would have called the cops and actually wait for them to arrive. Too bad Zimmerman is the one left to tell the story. Too bad.......

I would think the person without the gun would the one whose life was in danger. And guess what.......

to bad zimmerman was assaulted by a very fit young man. too bad martin was lying in wait to attack zimmerman. to bad martin started the confrontation and assault. to bad he had fists and fighting skills. To bad trayvon would be alive if he just had self control, and didnt needlessly attack someone. fortunately zimmerman is alive to tell the story. too bad...

i would think the guy thats getting pummeled is the one whose life was in danger. and guess what...

 


What world Am I living in?

Martin was the one being followed, he was the one with reason to be scared, he was the killed and attacked, not the other way aroud. 

If we are to believe the presented evidence (which by no means is sufficient to tell the whole picture, probabilistically) Trayvon Martin was the initiator of aggression. Being followed is not an act of aggression. By law, that provides Zimmerman (and not Travyon) with the policy of self-defence. It seems to me as if the jury followed the right procedure entailed by the Rule of Law. Whether or not Zimmerman going free is something to cherish is a different matter entirely. However; the legal system working as it should is certainly something to cherish. Rule of Law  (by rationality) > Aribtrary Law (delineated by emotions.) 



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nightsurge on 14 July 2013
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...


From your post I can tell you are incredibly ignorant of the facts in this case and are making statements purely out of emotion. 



badgenome on 14 July 2013
psrock said:

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way.

And somehow the grown ass man was the only one who suffered any injuries in the fight. I guess Zimmerman stalked Martin at great length and called the cops on himself, then proceeded to allow Martin to beat his face in before he finally killed him as he planned to all along purely out of a sense of adventure?



mhsillen on 14 July 2013
Ji99saw said:
It's good to wake in the Mourning and know that cold blooded murder is legal... If your black of course, wouldn't want the Good ol' boys to get hurt.

I wonder the victim was a white white woman (afraid for her life) that was stronger than Zimmerman and beat his ass because he obviously can't fight would the people in this thread be rallying around him.

Nope just another black person killed to some of you, I'm glad you guys fill that way. God forbid this happens to someone you know and if it does tell me so I can cheer until the murderer is let free.

Your hyperbole dramatically ruins your points.  That’s what happens when you act on emotions



psrock on 14 July 2013
sc94597 said:
psrock said:
killerzX said:
psrock said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

 

 

 

 

 


What world Am I living in?

Martin was the one being followed, he was the one with reason to be scared, he was the killed and attacked, not the other way aroud. 

If we are to believe the presented evidence (which by no means is sufficient to tell the whole picture, probabilistically) Trayvon Martin was the initiator of aggression. Being followed is not an act of aggression. By law, that provides Zimmerman (and not Travyon) with the policy of self-defence. It seems to me as if the jury followed the right procedure entailed by the Rule of Law. Whether or not Zimmerman going free is something to cherish is a different matter entirely. However; the legal system working as it should is certainly something to cherish. Rule of Law  (by rationality) > Aribtrary Law (delineated by emotions.) 

What evidence ?

The only thing I know is :

Trayvon was actually trying to run away, Zimmerman was asked to wait for the cops, Travon was near his father's house and Zimmerman was actually back to his car. 

No one knows who confronted whom, but I know Zimmerman had no issue following the kid.

Zimmerman was hardly scared because he knew he had a gun. 



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psrock on 14 July 2013
badgenome said:
psrock said:

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way.

And somehow the grown ass man was the only one who suffered any injuries in the fight. I guess Zimmerman stalked Martin at great length and called the cops on himself, then proceeded to allow Martin to beat his face in before he finally killed him as he planned to all along purely out of a sense of adventure

Yeah, because only the winners of fights ever starts fights. Zimmerman was cocky, he tought he could hold Martin until the cops came, he couldnt and got his ass kicked, so he shot him. 



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Seece on 14 July 2013
psrock said:
badgenome said:
psrock said:

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child.

A 6'2", 17 year old "child" who would have magically become a man within the next 12 months.

Insisting on calling Martin a child is a naked appeal to emotion, nothing more.

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way. 

Doesn't matter and you know it. 6'2 and athletic is clearly a match for Zimmerman, I agree with badge, you're trying to make it sound like some poor defensless feible child, it isn't the case.



 

chapset on 14 July 2013
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

I would defend myself, lucky for me I know how to kick and punch I would not go grab my gun unless I see a gun or a knife in the hand or in the proximity of the other guy, I know this sound retarded but here in Canada you kinda need to prove you were in iminante danger to be able to kill someone you can't just say to the cop'' I was losing the fight he didn't have a gun or knife but I shoot him anyway, good day''

The scenario I explained above is how many people are murdered, beaten, raped, etc.  They are attacked unexpectely and usually can't defend themselves properly.

It's great that you feel confident in your ability to defend yourself.  Unfortunately with this type of thinking you would likely become a victim of serious bodily injury or death (if put into the scenario mentioned above).  If you had a gun on you and didn't defend yourself from the attacker it would be unwise.

And this shoot first ask question later mentality is the reason why you have 10-14k murders a year and your for profit prisons are thriving



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sc94597 on 14 July 2013
psrock said:
sc94597 said:
psrock said:
killerzX said:
psrock said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

 

 

 

 

 


What world Am I living in?

Martin was the one being followed, he was the one with reason to be scared, he was the killed and attacked, not the other way aroud. 

If we are to believe the presented evidence (which by no means is sufficient to tell the whole picture, probabilistically) Trayvon Martin was the initiator of aggression. Being followed is not an act of aggression. By law, that provides Zimmerman (and not Travyon) with the policy of self-defence. It seems to me as if the jury followed the right procedure entailed by the Rule of Law. Whether or not Zimmerman going free is something to cherish is a different matter entirely. However; the legal system working as it should is certainly something to cherish. Rule of Law  (by rationality) > Aribtrary Law (delineated by emotions.) 

What evidence ?

The only thing I know is :

Trayvon was actually trying to run away, Zimmerman was asked to wait for the cops, Travon was near his father's house and Zimmerman was actually back to his car. 

No one knows who confronted whom, but I know Zimmerman had no issue following the kid.

Zimmerman was hardly scared because he knew he had a gun. 

Which is not enough to put somebody in prison for murder. Zimmerman isn't in prison now because the prosecution couldn't pull together a sound enough case for his incarceration. That is the Rule of Law. I'd personally would take 99 bad guys go free if 1 innocent guy is not sent to prison. State aggression is serious, and you have to be certain before you send somebody to prison for a grevious crime like murder. Hencely, juries are unanimous in their decisions in regards to murder cases. This jury unanimously decided that there was more evidence provided for ZImmerman's self-defence case than otherwise. That is a good thing considering the evidence (or lack thereof.) 



psrock on 14 July 2013
Seece said:
psrock said:
badgenome said:
psrock said:

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child.

A 6'2", 17 year old "child" who would have magically become a man within the next 12 months.

Insisting on calling Martin a child is a naked appeal to emotion, nothing more.

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way. 

Doesn't matter and you know it. 6'2 and athletic is clearly a match for Zimmerman, I agree with badge, you're trying to make it sound like some poor defensless feible child, it isn't the case.

He wasn't defensless? 

He's dead, clearly had no defense against Zimmerman, he had no weapon on him.



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