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According to Morgan, the lack of injuries on Martin’s body creates some confusion about the physical fight that allegedly took place the night Martin was killed. Basically, the medical examiner did not see any cuts or bruises on Martin’s hands that would have most likely resulted from a physical struggle with Zimmerman. Zimmerman claims he was assaulted by Martin and that Martin struck his head against the pavement. According a Sanford Fire Department report, Zimmerman had "abrasions to his forehead," "bleeding/tenderness to his nose," and a "small laceration to the back of his head."

But I keep hearing how Mrtin mauled Zimmerman. There are just too many things we just don't know.



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badgenome said:
chapset said:

5'11', 160 pound please that ain't some giant man you can't defend yourself from

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/10/george-zimmerman-murder-trayvon-martin-autopsy

Neither is a 6'2" person some giant man you can't defend yourself from. Rather than nitpicking over a few inches, would you care to address the fact that his being legally a minor has fuck all to do with his physical capabilities?


You know there's no proof Martin even punched Zimmerman, there was no blood or cut in his hands. that's almost impossible once you punch someon so hard he was scared for his life.



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psrock said:

 There are just too many things we just don't know.

I agree, but you seem pretty sure that Zimmerman started the fight.

And since there are too many things we just don't know, acquittal was the only right decision for the jury to make.



nightsurge said:
Metallicube said:

So all you have to do to get away with murdering some innocent kid in a hoodie is say you "feel threatened" by him?

This man should have listened to the cop who told him NOT TO FOLLOW the kid, and none of this would have happened in the first place. It isn't exactly self defense when YOU are the one provoking and following your victim...

This kid didn't even have a gun on him. The man did. That should tell you enough right there. How exactly is the man with the gun the one to feel "threatened"?

Man, our justice system is completely fucked...


From your post I can tell you are incredibly ignorant of the facts in this case and are making statements purely out of emotion. 


funny how people take the words of the man trying to justify his crime as "facts"



badgenome said:
chapset said:

5'11', 160 pound please that ain't some giant man you can't defend yourself from

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/10/george-zimmerman-murder-trayvon-martin-autopsy

Neither is a 6'2" person some giant man you can't defend yourself from. Rather than nitpicking over a few inches, would you care to address the fact that his being legally a minor has fuck all to do with his physical capabilities?

17 year old at 160 pound can't be that much stronger than a 185 pound 28 year old can he?



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Seece said:

Doesn't matter and you know it. 6'2 and athletic is clearly a match for Zimmerman, I agree with badge, you're trying to make it sound like some poor defensless feible child, it isn't the case.


yes i and the fact that zimmerman was 25 pounds heavier is irrelevant

i guess fighting professionals that are divided by their weight don't have it right 



psrock said:

You know there's no proof Martin even punched Zimmerman, there was no blood or cut in his hands. that's almost impossible once you punch someon so hard he was scared for his life.

No proof except for Zimmerman's face, and Martin's knuckle?

WEST: Let's talk for a moment about the injury to Trayvon Martin's knuckle. Do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger?

DI MAIO: Right.

WEST: Do you agree with Dr. Bao that's an abrasion-type injury?

DI MAIO: It appears to be.

WEST: Is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface?

DI MAIO: It's consistent with impacting a hard surface.

WEST: Would concrete qualify?

DI MAIO: Concrete can qualify, yes.

WEST: In your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on?

DI MAIO: You can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. It depends what part of the body you punch. The softer the portion, you may not see it. In a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. There may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. You can punch someone and not get bruises and punch someone and get bruises. It's just too variable.

WEST: Does it take blood pressure in order to get bruising?

DI MAIO: Yes. Once your blood pressure goes, you can't get bruising. That's why they say you can't bruise a dead body. No blood pressure. The bruising occurs when the blood pushes the blood out of torn blood vessels into the soft tissue.

WEST: In this instance, Mr. Martin lost blood pressure quickly? DI MAIO: Yes, sir.

WEST: Had Dr. Bao been looking for bruising, especially in the knuckles, the better course or the better practice would have been to take a look internally?

DI MAIO: Right. (INAUDIBLE).



i wasn't even aware of the weights of the men in question at 17 i was like martin 6 feet or so athletic and 160 pounds

and at that point in time there was no way that i would even consider myself a match for someone at 185 pounds...



WrathofTank said:
Cobretti2 said:
WrathofTank said:

The scenario I explained above is how many people are murdered, beaten, raped, etc.  They are attacked unexpectely and usually can't defend themselves properly.

It's great that you feel confident in your ability to defend yourself.  Unfortunately with this type of thinking you would likely become a victim of serious bodily injury or death (if put into the scenario mentioned above).  If you had a gun on you and didn't defend yourself from the attacker it would be unwise.


My problem with this is the fact that all the stuff you describe happens to many people. Rather then using guns as a solution to self defence why not work out the root cause of these issues? Here in Aus we do have those crimes but at the same time no one fears it will happen to them because they are so rare. If they do happen 9/10 times there was a motive behind it.

As someone who has travelled to America it amazes me how you can have some of the nicest places in the world and very friendly people and at the same time have areas that you feel like you are going to die in if you enter them.

Look I understand he was defending himself and all and I do agree by American law he is innocent. However the situation could have  been handled better and would have been if shoot first ask questions later wasn't bread into America's society.

First why aren't these neighbourhood watch guys trained in self defense and give say tazors etc as first choice of weapon?

Secondly why didnt he just annouce himself as neighbourhood watch?

Thirdly why arn't they patrolling in pairs in a job that may lead to altercations? 

We don't live in fear of these things in the USA either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be prepared to deal with it if the situation occurs.  I agree that the incident could have been avoided and handled differently, but once the attack occurred, Zimmerman's actions were reasonable.

I like your solutions  for preventing this type of incident in the future, but people should always have the right to defend themselves if a sitution where their life or safety is at risk.


The thing is you shouldn't need to be prepaired if these crimes were rare. These types of crimes need to be reduced. However I don't know what the solution is because of the long American culture of guns and race vs race isn't something you will fix overnight.

Even in this thread you see some people bring up the whole black vs white thing. Why is this even a factor in modern America? This will only fuel more violence because of the verdict. Plus Jessie Jackson isn't helping the situation with his rants.

Slightly of topic but are people still hung up about slavery? Like when was the last black slave? Also what about the indians? why no one care about them? Granted all this was wrong in Americas history, but that is what it is, history and it is not like it happened only a few years ago. People need to move on and work out their differences. Kids arnt born racist they are tought to be by their parents and generations before them and friends.

Look at Europe and Germany as an example, do you see many people still hating them because of Hitler and his action? If you look at the older generations sure but the younger ones just don't care as it is in the past and all they can do is learn not to do the same. Even throught history someone has enslaved someone and are we all meant to hate each other because of it? 

 

 

 

 



 

 

psrock said:
badgenome said:
psrock said:

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child.

A 6'2", 17 year old "child" who would have magically become a man within the next 12 months.

Insisting on calling Martin a child is a naked appeal to emotion, nothing more.

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way. 

i guess children are allowed to join the military then. fly jets, drop bombs, fire machine guns, rocket launchers throw grenades, etc.

yeah he was a child.