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Cobretti2 on 14 July 2013
WrathofTank said:

The scenario I explained above is how many people are murdered, beaten, raped, etc.  They are attacked unexpectely and usually can't defend themselves properly.

It's great that you feel confident in your ability to defend yourself.  Unfortunately with this type of thinking you would likely become a victim of serious bodily injury or death (if put into the scenario mentioned above).  If you had a gun on you and didn't defend yourself from the attacker it would be unwise.


My problem with this is the fact that all the stuff you describe happens to many people. Rather then using guns as a solution to self defence why not work out the root cause of these issues? Here in Aus we do have those crimes but at the same time no one fears it will happen to them because they are so rare. If they do happen 9/10 times there was a motive behind it.

As someone who has travelled to America it amazes me how you can have some of the nicest places in the world and very friendly people and at the same time have areas that you feel like you are going to die in if you enter them.

Look I understand he was defending himself and all and I do agree by American law he is innocent. However the situation could have  been handled better and would have been if shoot first ask questions later wasn't bread into America's society.

First why aren't these neighbourhood watch guys trained in self defense and give say tazors etc as first choice of weapon?

Secondly why didnt he just annouce himself as neighbourhood watch?

Thirdly why arn't they patrolling in pairs in a job that may lead to altercations? 



 

 

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enditall727 on 14 July 2013
Intelligentsia said:
enditall727 said:

And dont buy skittles and Tea while wearing a hoodie. You'll look suspicious lol

Yeah he was shot for being suspicious instead of because he was beating the shit out of Zimmerman. Boy, you are devoted to that ridiculous fable aren't you? 

J_Allard said:

It's not confirmed. In fact when Zimmerman claims to get off the phone and end his pursuit, Trayvon's phone records show he was still on the phone for 2-3 minutes. More than enough time for Zimmerman to get back to his vehicle if he was truly done pursuing Trayvon. This is just one of the many things the prosecution should have delved into when it comes to the many contradictions and lies Zimmerman has told.

Not to mention, this whole idea that Trayvon "stuck around to confront" Zimmerman is just speculation anyway.

Apparently you did not watch the trial.

Trayvon had 4 minutes to get home from the mailboxes, which are about 300-400 feet from the place he was staying. Had he actually wanted to go home, he could have easily accomplished that. This provides ample evidence that he wasn't some scared kid - a scared kid would've gone home.

It's also true that Zimmerman had 1-2 minutes to get back to his truck.

The problem is a lack of evidence - no one has any idea who started the fight. But it's logical to presume Trayvon did because he has no wounds from Zimmerman save the bullet hole.

J_Allard said:
He didn't provide Cube with any "facts", he gave him a pro-Zimmerman slanted opinion on the circumstances.

I love the part about "lol it wasnt police that told him not to follow, it was just dispatch!!" as if that makes a world of difference. And it also doesn't take into account the fact that the neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was a part of has strict guidelines and rules against following and confronting suspicious people. 

I eagerly await seeing Zimmerman annihilated in civil court, just like OJ was after he was found "not guilty". I am assuming, of course, Zimmerman won't be 500 lbs and dead by then at the rate he is expanding.

Actually the difference is because it is illegal not to comply with a lawful order from a peace officer - this could have potentially shown intent to confront.

Your evidence that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or intended to confront him? Had several opportunities to do it.

Civil court will not happen. O'Mara will be seeking civil immunity from lawsuits as per this verdict. Sorry, you lost.

@the rest

Stop speaking from a position of ignorance. It's embarrassing for you to do so and those of us informed are offended by this. 


Oh it's Mr Veracity ;)

 

Mr hissy fit

Mr i cant take different opinions than mine

Mr i am the most likely to insult and get racial with somebody who doesn't fully support Zimmerman

 

;)

 

I believe this is the 1st time i said this about Tea and Skittles so you pulling this "devoted to that ridiculous fable" claim is innaccurate and was pulled out of your ass

 

;)



SxyxS on 14 July 2013

thanks god that a black guy called obama can kill many hispanic looking guys in pakistan every week with drones and noone cares and noone is even trying to turn this into a:Black Racist killing White people.
(I just realised how ridicoulous this anti-racist-agenda is when I saw this jesse jackson guy complaing about white people in the court but no africans-but this racist black guy didn't care that there also were no latins and that most of the court people were women(which really don't like when young boys are killed)



badgenome on 14 July 2013
psrock said:

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child.

A 6'2", 17 year old "child" who would have magically become a man within the next 12 months.

Insisting on calling Martin a child is a naked appeal to emotion, nothing more.



badgenome on 14 July 2013
SxyxS said:
thanks god that a black guy called obama can kill many hispanic looking guys in pakistan every week with drones and noone cares and noone is even trying to turn this into a:Black Racist killing White people.
(I just realised how ridicoulous this anti-racist-agenda is when I saw this jesse jackson guy complaing about white people in the court but no africans-but this racist black guy didn't care that there also were no latins and that most of the court people were women(which really don't like when young boys are killed)

One of the jurors was Hispanic and half-black, so I guess there were both.



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psrock on 14 July 2013
killerzX said:
psrock said:
WrathofTank said:
chapset said:
 

if this is enough to justify lethal force, damn I missed a couple occasions to kill people apparently, Zimmerman was 5'7'' and 185 at the time he was getting mauled to death by this ''giant piece of man'' that was Treyvon he didn't know how to kick or punch back his only option was to blow shit up the American way

Did you feel like your life was in danger or that serious bodily harm would occur?  If not then the circumstances are completely different.  Zimmerman was engadged by a Martin and thought that his intent was to cause serious bodily harm or to kill him. 

If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, then the beating would have continued and Zimmerman's face would have looked far worse at the very least.

Think of it like this.  You are being attacked by a man that you had never spoken to, or met, you have no idea what they are capable of or what they may do to you.  They only thing you know is that you are now punched and thrown to the pavement.  Don't you think it is logical to think that this man may mean to cause serious bodily harm or to kill you?

If this circumstance happened to me, I would be in fear for my safety and life.  I'm pretty sure you would be to.

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child. Too bad he started this whole incident. Too bad he had gun. Too bad Trayvan would be alive if Zimmerman would have called the cops and actually wait for them to arrive. Too bad Zimmerman is the one left to tell the story. Too bad.......

I would think the person without the gun would the one whose life was in danger. And guess what.......

to bad zimmerman was assaulted by a very fit young man. too bad martin was lying in wait to attack zimmerman. to bad martin started the confrontation and assault. to bad he had fists and fighting skills. To bad trayvon would be alive if he just had self control, and didnt needlessly attack someone. fortunately zimmerman is alive to tell the story. too bad...

i would think the guy thats getting pummeled is the one whose life was in danger. and guess what...


What world Am I living in?

Martin was the one being followed, he was the one with reason to be scared, he was the one killed and attacked, not the other way aroud. Zimmerman got his ass kicked for being a creep, and as a result killed an innocent kid. 



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psrock on 14 July 2013
badgenome said:
psrock said:

Too bad he wasnt being attacked by a man. Too bad he was the one following the child.

A 6'2", 17 year old "child" who would have magically become a man within the next 12 months.

Insisting on calling Martin a child is a naked appeal to emotion, nothing more.

A 17 year is child no matter what you say. Too bad a grown ass man killed him. He's a child by law, by nature by any which way. 



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enditall727 on 14 July 2013
mhsillen said:

Come on you would take a fat non athletic zim who is probably slow against a lean quick athletic 17 year old? I would go with the athletic person


I believe Zimmerman wss taking MMA classes before that incident happened. Zimmerman was skinnier than he is now. On twitter, Some jokingly said that he blew up in weight to make himself look more pathetically unable to defend his self properly LOL

 

But Zimmerman wasn't fat. He was more fit and Trayvon was tall and linky as hell. Trayvon was MAD skinny



WrathofTank on 14 July 2013
Cobretti2 said:
WrathofTank said:

The scenario I explained above is how many people are murdered, beaten, raped, etc.  They are attacked unexpectely and usually can't defend themselves properly.

It's great that you feel confident in your ability to defend yourself.  Unfortunately with this type of thinking you would likely become a victim of serious bodily injury or death (if put into the scenario mentioned above).  If you had a gun on you and didn't defend yourself from the attacker it would be unwise.


My problem with this is the fact that all the stuff you describe happens to many people. Rather then using guns as a solution to self defence why not work out the root cause of these issues? Here in Aus we do have those crimes but at the same time no one fears it will happen to them because they are so rare. If they do happen 9/10 times there was a motive behind it.

As someone who has travelled to America it amazes me how you can have some of the nicest places in the world and very friendly people and at the same time have areas that you feel like you are going to die in if you enter them.

Look I understand he was defending himself and all and I do agree by American law he is innocent. However the situation could have  been handled better and would have been if shoot first ask questions later wasn't bread into America's society.

First why aren't these neighbourhood watch guys trained in self defense and give say tazors etc as first choice of weapon?

Secondly why didnt he just annouce himself as neighbourhood watch?

Thirdly why arn't they patrolling in pairs in a job that may lead to altercations? 

We don't live in fear of these things in the USA either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be prepared to deal with it if the situation occurs.  I agree that the incident could have been avoided and handled differently, but once the attack occurred, Zimmerman's actions were reasonable.

I like your solutions  for preventing this type of incident in the future, but people should always have the right to defend themselves if a sitution where their life or safety is at risk.



Ji99saw on 14 July 2013

It's good to wake in the Mourning and know that cold blooded murder is legal... If your black of course, wouldn't want the Good ol' boys to get hurt.

I wonder the victim was a white white woman (afraid for her life) that was stronger than Zimmerman and beat his ass because he obviously can't fight would the people in this thread be rallying around him.

Nope just another black person killed to some of you, I'm glad you guys fill that way. God forbid this happens to someone you know and if it does tell me so I can cheer until the murderer is let free.



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