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Yes they should but what could they give them to make up for it? Nothing could make up for the massacres, destruction of their cultural and livelihood, their food supply. I say just respect their way of life, give them their land back and move on. Nothing can bring them all back, but just respect what is left to ensure they don't die out completely



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nope. i wasnt alive then and i owe nothing.



 

spurgeonryan said:
roam said:

there has already been a cultural genocide, the natives now are not the natives that were. there were groups of natives that were completely killed off as well.
what sort of reparations do you think could fix such a thing?


Nothing. But it is the deed that matters. We are not our ancestors, so we are not really responsible.

 

I do not think land matters, because they have plenty of it. Just not much they can do with it I think. The Navajo's recently host the guy who walked a tight rope across the Grand Canyon. What else can they do? They are one of the most popular indian tribes. I believe their language was used in WW2 and in many movies and Television shows.

 

Do they get free college tuition? Or what about tuition to private grade and high schools. Get them to college for sure. Then from there they can turn their lives around. Too many sad stories that you hear about on the news.

In Canada they can go to college for free.   A lot of times they are still marginalized and the tribes filled with corruption, domestic abuse, as well as drugs and alcohol. 

 a good deal of the problems stem from how they were treated.  they still bear scars(which are still pretty recent.  in canada the last residential school closed in 1996 even.  children for decades were taken from tribes, had their heritage forcibly suppressed and were physically and sexually abused in attempts to "bring them into society") from previous generations and the problems are perpetuated. 

they need actual support and assistance.  not father knows best and financial handouts.



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secpierre34 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yep, it wasn't the Native Americnas first run in with Europeans, they also had to deal with the Vikings trying to convert them to Christianity before Colombus.

Europeans pushed Native Americans onto reservations (because they took 95% of their land). So I ask you...what reparations? You mean the money used to build large scale casinos? Well in truth they deserve every bit of that and more for all that was taken from them.

African Americans were promised forty acres and a mule and that was taken from them by the democrats took that from them after Abraham Lincoln gave it to them (kind of funny how that works because today a republican would never do that lulz).

The republican party and democratic party switched principles towards the 1930s after the great depression. The democrats were more alike to what is the republican party back then. They were the conservative party and they had a strong concentration on the south.

I am not a fan of either, just wanted to throw in some history. (lol) I agree that's pretty funny.

Yeah, the way Lincoln saw it is that if African Americans could be profitable for slave owners as slaves they probably knew how to run to the farming in the south on their own and be quite profitable at it after the civil war. After Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson said? "Forty acres and a mule? Fuck them!" What a dick. Its truly amazing how Republicans and democrats basically went through role reversals. Thomas Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican. Makes you think about how the parties have evolved and changed. History...lol.



highmen said:

yeah for sure...

 

OT and make it a crime if people call someone african american. asian american....just call them american FFS....or if not just call any caucasian american as european american.....cut thebullshit

Totally agree.  We are the county of labels and asking for forgiveness its sick.

I watched a video the other day of "kids react to some cheerios commercial"  Apparantly there was a controversy about the commercial due to it being a mixed family, I didn't know there was a controversy over it until they brought it up to the kids.  All the kids were surprised and thought it stupid.

Why is there even a term "mixed family"  And why are we teaching our kids about it?  If we didn't tell them its a "mixed" family, they woud just see and call it a "family"

Our need for Politically correctness I believe is making us more racists, intollerant, bigots, ect. 



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irstupid said:

Totally agree.  We are the county of labels and asking for forgiveness its sick.

I watched a video the other day of "kids react to some cheerios commercial"  Apparantly there was a controversy about the commercial due to it being a mixed family, I didn't know there was a controversy over it until they brought it up to the kids.  All the kids were surprised and thought it stupid.

Why is there even a term "mixed family"  And why are we teaching our kids about it?  If we didn't tell them its a "mixed" family, they woud just see and call it a "family"

Our need for Politically correctness I believe is making us more racists, intollerant, bigots, ect. 


Political correctness isn't creating more racists, its making people more aware of their words, but at the same time its sweeping the first dirty thought under the rug. As Morgan Freeman said, if you don't want racism, don't talk about it.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
irstupid said:

Totally agree.  We are the county of labels and asking for forgiveness its sick.

I watched a video the other day of "kids react to some cheerios commercial"  Apparantly there was a controversy about the commercial due to it being a mixed family, I didn't know there was a controversy over it until they brought it up to the kids.  All the kids were surprised and thought it stupid.

Why is there even a term "mixed family"  And why are we teaching our kids about it?  If we didn't tell them its a "mixed" family, they woud just see and call it a "family"

Our need for Politically correctness I believe is making us more racists, intollerant, bigots, ect. 


Political correctness isn't creating more racists, its making people more aware of their words, but at the same time its sweeping the first dirty thought under the rug. As Morgan Freeman said, if you don't want racism, don't talk about it.

Well what I meant was kind of what Morgan Freeman said.  When there is a distinction or name calling involved its obviously better to call someone for example an "african american" instead of  the many other crude names one could call said person.

But what i meant was that we are coming up with so many different terms and names for each person that what before was just one group of people is now 10 different groups of people.  That one group before got along all great and peachy, but now that they found out they are "different" they now don't for some reason mesh.  

So it's back to Morgan Freeman but more broader.  It's not just racism, but basically anything.  If you don't want racism dont' talk about it, if you dont' want religish trouble, don't talk about it, if you dont' want weath discrimination don't alk about it, ect.  

I like to just say "i'm an American", but the government wants me to say "I'm a middle class, white, heterosexual, christian, with a college degree, from Florida, ect"   The first example, the only people that hate me are those that hate americans.  The second example, someone could dislike me for making too much or too little money, for being of some color, for my religion, for my education, for my sexual preference, ect.  The more labels we attribute the more oppertunities for hate.



No. Nobody deserves 'reparations'.



Simple Answer.. No.. what happened happened a long time ago.. and we should have to pay for the sins of our fathers.. grand fathers etc... if your dad killed someone and you had nothing to do with it.. would you like being thrown in jail for it?? Do you think that is fair... it's the same thing.. you can also throw slavery on top of this argument.. I do not feel we should have to pay for those things that happened so long ago..



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Kind of want to simplify my above answer


I don't hate Politically correct terms, I have that we have to use them.

Here is an example:

"Hi, my name is Kevin and I'm an American" - Not much to hate on there, unless you have something against the name Kevin or hate males or anyone American.

Example 2:

"Hi, my name is Kevin and I'm a homosexual African-American, muslim, and I make 1 million dollars a year" I'm the exact same person above, just now all of a sudden with all these labels the government wants to put on me, there could be many people who could have unjustified grievances against me. People who hate the gays, or someone racist who hates black people, or any religious fanatic, or heck just someone naive enough to be scared of one of those factors for whatever reason. If that wasn't enough the democracts this recent election went and made it now so that if you make money you are now evil as well. They tried to turn 99% of the people in the country against the top 1% in earnings.