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Didn't you guys get Kowenicki's and Sales2099 doublespeak yet?

It might be a little hard over their passive-agressive style of writing and emotive discourse, but here it goes:

Connectivity is Strength
Surveillance is Safety
DRM is Freedom



 

 

 

 

 

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J_Allard said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:

Ok. Can we at least grasp that the government is on trial here, not MS? Because if the federal government demands information to any american company/subsidiary, they would have to comply. MS getting fingered out is just wrong.

But yes, that is my stance. My rights? My life is no different then when I didn't know about this. Why should I care if I have nothing to hide? I am a 100% believer in the greater good.

Theres a lot of self entitlement going on here and many people here take the country they live in, and the relative safety of their day-to-day lives, for serious granted. Keep preaching, and well see what you say if god forbid your local subway station gets blown up.

I don't have anything to hide either, that doesn't meant that I enjoy being monitored or having data collected about me.
I know I can't control data on me from being collected but I can control how much. Not buying an Xbox One is one less device that collects my data.

Maybe if enough people stop buying products from these companies who are collecting data, they'll stop doing it. This applies to more than just Microsoft.

You're saying the exact same thing sales is saying. Clearly you are ok with data being collected on you to a certain extent. Otherwise you would not own a PS3 and you would not be posting this message on the Internet, whether it's from a PC, a phone, or your PS3. Hell, I would love to see a breakdown of all these tin foil hatters in this thread and what they are using to post. I would bet a majority of them are posting via a PC/laptop with a camera attached. So again, everyone "accepts it", if the product is worth it.

The Xbox One is worth it to him. You are buying a PS4 instead, and it will also collect data on you.

I would consider myself one of those nutters. I do comment on the net with my pc (no cam needed). I do what i can to not be tracked though, But I am sure most of it does not work. For the most part I acknowledge that in this current political climate we will be watched. People are just to ok with it, our government is far too big and has far too much money and I dont see that changing anytime soon. But for the most part I watch what I say online, over the phone, and in texts. Its sad but I do. I do plan on getting a drone alert if they start becoming more prevailaint so I will at least know when the government (or a neighbor (this worries me the most), or company) is spying on people. Other than that i always vote. I still use kinect also, and plan to get and xbox ONE as it makes no difference, any device that can communicate over any network will be monitored so there is no point trying to avoid it. People who fear this stuff should fear their cell phone and ISP the most. Not MS



haxxiy said:

Didn't you guys get Kowenicki's and Sales2099 doublespeak yet?

It might be a little hard over their passive-agressive style of writing and emotive discourse, but here it goes:

Connectivity is Strength
Surveillance is Safety
DRM is Freedom

"Straight from the shackles of iniquity."

-The Chronicles of Stockholm Syndrome. :)



The amount of Sheeple that are willing to go along with this was at first baffling, but then I remembered how so few people were against the Patriot Act when it was first presented as a bill. Just keep drinking the koolaid folks.



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thranx said:
Euphoria14 said:
One of the main features used is Skype. Skype has been giving away video and audio calls over the last 3 years.

Skype is owned by MS. MS is a big player in the NSA scandal.



Can I trust them right now? Absolutely not.


I've got to ask who your cell phone and home phone service is through. Do you trust them? Knowing that they give all your info to the NSA. What about your ISP? Same thing. The problem isn't these companies, the problem is our government.

Just got a house phone because it comes as part of a package, but I never use it, so I don't worry about it. not even sure if it's hooked up. My ISP is Optimum Online, which is owned by Cablevision. If it wasn't for not being able to watch my Mets through MLB.TV I still wouldn't have TV, like it's been for me for years up until about 2-3 months ago. 

My cellphone is AT&T who I don't trust one iota but I am stuck in this contract until early next year and when that happens I am switching providers (Mainly due to them charging WAY TOO MUCH). Plus I hate talking on the phone.

I also don't use Facebook. I know you didn't ask, but I figured I would throw that out there as well.

 

I also know the issue is our government, but considering all these corporations "must comply", I don't really trust that mic and camera sitting in my living room. Although to be fair I never wanted a Kinect anyways, so it isn't really this scandal that is keeping me away from it.



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Captain_Tom said:
Angelus said:
Trust?

I'm sorry, but anybody who trusts any company/corporation isn't all that bright. Nobody cares about you. We're talking about business here. It's people trying to sell you something. Some days they do a better job convincing you than others, some days they fall flat on their face, but if you're diluting yourself into thinking that they at any point care about anything more than your money.....you're very much mistaken.


I'm sorry but statements like these shows MS has a lot of abusive relationships with their customers:

"It's nothing really, I'll just send it in for repair.  I like a break from gaming."

"All corporations do this, it's just Love."

"No it's my fault the 360 destroyed some of my discs, I have to be more careful."  (Real quote from my 360 friend, and the only one that still is a 360 guy).

"Of course it overheats, all consoles do sometimes.  I understand that unlike some people."

"I just fell down the stairs, I have to learn!"  LOL 

"I don't mind paying $599, as its the cheapest Bluray player on the market"

"My credit card data was stolen, but they improved the security measures for next time"

"I don't mind waiting 5.5 years for the next GT, it just means that the devs are perfectionists"

"Its fine that online multiplayer has a paywall now, at least it offers a better deal then Xbox Gold"

Point being: people rationalize all the time when they don't want to give up something

Door swings both ways.



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VGKing said:
sales2099 said:

Ok. Can we at least grasp that the government is on trial here, not MS? Because if the federal government demands information to any american company/subsidiary, they would have to comply. MS getting fingered out is just wrong.

But yes, that is my stance. My rights? My life is no different then when I didn't know about this. Why should I care if I have nothing to hide? I am a 100% believer in the greater good.

Theres a lot of self entitlement going on here and many people here take the country they live in, and the relative safety of their day-to-day lives, for serious granted. Keep preaching, and well see what you say if god forbid your local subway station gets blown up.

I don't have anything to hide either, that doesn't meant that I enjoy being monitored or having data collected about me.
I know I can't control data on me from being collected but I can control how much. Not buying an Xbox One is one less device that collects my data.

Maybe if enough people stop buying products from these companies who are collecting data, they'll stop doing it. This applies to more than just Microsoft.

Im not letting something like that impact me from playing games I want to play. What an absurd reason to not get a console that you would otherwise want.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Captain_Tom said:
The government does NOT care about petty illigal activites, but potential threats to national security. Your cell phone calls are recorded and can be tapped into, your cable box tracks what channels you watch and the times you watch them.

MS did do something wrong, all that DRM crap. Happy? But Kinect being included is to have a unified userbase, as opposed to 360 kinect userbase. Spying is not MS's top priority and it never was. Its responses like yours that paint a picture of the minds of certain individuals. Get over yourself, MS doesn't care to wacth you play Skyrim in your underwear for 4 hours straight in the hopes you say something illegal.


XBot: "Yes Microsoft.  Thank you for telling me what to believe.  Hey why are you covered in blood holding a knife over that body?"

 

MS: "It's not a body, and this isn't a knife.  I am cleaning!  Go to bed!"

XBot: "Yes honey."

......wow. Total propaganda on your part.Firstly, this isn't MS's fault....it is the government who is in a position to request it.

And secondly, I am not letting this paranoia influence my decision to play videogames that interest me. You, like many others, are hopping on this bandwagon because its yet another way to make PS4 look better.

Like you gave a crap when your phone and internet history has been tapped for years. Gimme a break.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
Captain_Tom said:
Angelus said:
Trust?

I'm sorry, but anybody who trusts any company/corporation isn't all that bright. Nobody cares about you. We're talking about business here. It's people trying to sell you something. Some days they do a better job convincing you than others, some days they fall flat on their face, but if you're diluting yourself into thinking that they at any point care about anything more than your money.....you're very much mistaken.


I'm sorry but statements like these shows MS has a lot of abusive relationships with their customers:

"It's nothing really, I'll just send it in for repair.  I like a break from gaming."

"All corporations do this, it's just Love."

"No it's my fault the 360 destroyed some of my discs, I have to be more careful."  (Real quote from my 360 friend, and the only one that still is a 360 guy).

"Of course it overheats, all consoles do sometimes.  I understand that unlike some people."

"I just fell down the stairs, I have to learn!"  LOL 

"I don't mind paying $599, as its the cheapest Bluray player on the market"

But this was true.

"My credit card data was stolen, but they improved the security measures for next time"

I think I may have gotten some spam from that debacle but they gave me 5 free games.  It still was far from ok though.

"I don't mind waiting 5.5 years for the next GT, it just means that the devs are perfectionists"

No the dev is enefficient.

"Its fine that online multiplayer has a paywall now, at least it offers a better deal then Xbox Gold"

But it does lol.  It costs less and you get free games.

Point being: people rationalize all the time when they don't want to give up something

Door swings both ways.


My reactions in bold.

You are really gonna compare 60% failure rates and a console eating some of your games to actual facts like that PS3 was the cheapest Blue Ray Player.

Some people wanted a Blue Ray player, nobody wanted their games to get destroyed.  I swear the more you talk the more ignorant and nonsensicle you look.



sales2099 said:
Captain_Tom said:
The government does NOT care about petty illigal activites, but potential threats to national security. Your cell phone calls are recorded and can be tapped into, your cable box tracks what channels you watch and the times you watch them.

MS did do something wrong, all that DRM crap. Happy? But Kinect being included is to have a unified userbase, as opposed to 360 kinect userbase. Spying is not MS's top priority and it never was. Its responses like yours that paint a picture of the minds of certain individuals. Get over yourself, MS doesn't care to wacth you play Skyrim in your underwear for 4 hours straight in the hopes you say something illegal.


XBot: "Yes Microsoft.  Thank you for telling me what to believe.  Hey why are you covered in blood holding a knife over that body?"

 

MS: "It's not a body, and this isn't a knife.  I am cleaning!  Go to bed!"

XBot: "Yes honey."

......wow. Total propaganda on your part.Firstly, this isn't MS's fault....it is the government who is in a position to request it.

And secondly, I am not letting this paranoia influence my decision to play videogames that interest me. You, like many others, are hopping on this bandwagon because its yet another way to make PS4 look better.

Like you gave a crap when your phone and internet history has been tapped for years. Gimme a break.

Nobody here likes that.  But we are unsure if there is anything we can do about it. However we can choose to Not pay for the worst form of it!