There's usually just ONE actual advertisement per tab on the dashboard, usually related to the tabs subject.  The rest are all "advertisements" for *gasp* new and upcoming games, movies, TV shows etc.  How DARE they tell you what's currently available and just around the corner on their console.  THE HORROR!!!

And there is plenty stopping them from reversing their "stupid policy" in the middle of the generation... for one thing, it would be suicide to do so.  You think people were mad before about stuff that was still months away from being released yet?  Well what the hell do you think would happen if M$ tried to pull that stunt AFTER millions of consumers already paid for the console and software???  They'd have lawsuits coming out the ying-yang for pulling a bait and switch tactic like that.

oh the console wars. so hilarious.

I mean, I am not happy with Xbox One right now...at all, and I do think a lot of the policies are disgusting, but I kinda feel sorry for them.

We can't trust them based on what we know...but I say wait till the console is out to judge. As it stands, they've not sold me on it so I won't be getting one, but I won't pass judgement either.

No we cant trust them.
No we shouldnt feel sorry for them because they digged their own grave with greed.

Hopefully they exit the console market. I feel they brought more negatives to the market than positives.

lol.... so MS can't be trusted... that's a load of bollocks.... actually your personal info have probably never been that secure while being that exposed at the same time....

data provided to govs have been requested through legal channels and not only MS but any company had to comply.... so you can trust any company to do the best job they can to protect your data from malicious people but they can't go around official legal request... whether it is MS, Sony, google, FB, AT&T, your bank etc....

and thinking this is new.... hell no that shit has been going on for millenniums the only difference is that the plebe like us has never had that much access and control over information.... but thinking your rights are violated is just plain funny.... for that you must have had rights in the first place and your pseudo rights have been written by those same people that screw them.... and rights are a pure human invention with absolutely no fundamental ground beside those same gov enforcing them or breaking them.... rights are like gods they don't exist.. they only exist if you have faith in them and believe in them and the community or civilization around you do to... otherwise they are just part of your imagination or some fictional words on a paper....

this is all a big joke and picking side is useless and hoping for change in any form is laughable.... but bottom line if you are a regular joe.... you are fine and nothing has changed.... it's like it has been since forever... same game different rules.... yesterday they were spying with eyes on you, then with ears, and today with computers....

You're not ok with it, and yet you game on a PS3 and post on the Internet. Probably have a camera for your PC as well, and/or use a cell phone for more than making calls. So you're clearly ok with it to a certain extent. You are willing to accept whatever is being done depending on your interest in the product. If it came out tomorrow that the US government was recording all PSN conversations, saving all PSN messages, and tracking/storing what you look at and where you go online on your PS3, you'd still play your PS3. If all that were true about PS4, you'd be buying a PS4 still.

Just look at your next reply after this one that I quoted. You say if there is a terrorist threat on PSN, Sony would alert the authorities. So Big Brother Sony is ok? It's ok for them to monitor and report to authorities when something comes up, but it's not ok for the government themselves to monitor for keywords or legally demand access to something because of a special interest? This is the main problem with this terribly written article and most of the replies in this thread. You guys understand MS is legally obligated to do all of this? And has been for awhile now? Have any of you noticed any white vans parked down the street from your houses yet? And suddenly now it goes mainstream public and suddenly your privacies are in trouble. lol

And tin foil hatters doesn't have to mean crazy. I know plenty of conspiracy theory nuts who are perfectly normal, intelligent people. I use that term because it applies perfectly to the people who are paranoid that MS is going to record their every word, movement, and thought with Kinect and sell them on Ebay to the highest bidder, or give the US government free, unfiltered, unhampered access.

I'm on pins and needles awaiting the creation of these threads:

Can we trust Google anymore?
Can we trust Yahoo anymore?
Can we trust AOL anymore?
Can we trust Facebook anymore?
Can we trust Apple anymore?

These are some of the other companies who provide information when legally required to, just like MS.

Sony is liar bitch who said PS2 to have toy story like graphics LMAO
Even PS4 is failing to achieve it
Can we trust sony anymore ?

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I've read most of the post in this thread...

People should make a distinction between a few concepts.

The NSA can request to have access to a company's data. It doesn't automatically mean that they do. They don't request the data of every single company. 
The agencies and companies CAN spy on your shit. It doesn't mean that they do. They have filter programs to isolate the millions of incoming data at any given time. They don't have a billion people monitoring your every moves. ¬_¬

Do I trust Microsoft? Heck no! I trust big businesses only slightly more than I trust the government, which isn't much.

If I was to not support any company that I didn't trust I wouldn't have anything though. But as it stands, if any of those companies have products that I like, I'll get them because let's be perfectly honest about this. There's no such thing as privacy in this day and age (which really sucks, but it's true). All my phone calls are recorded, all of my web activity is logged, all of my texts are saved, and pretty much anything electronically done, the government knows about. So that leaves me with two choices, cut myself off from the world completely and live in a cave in the middle of nowhere, or keep my life as it is now. I personally have tons of fun gaming, going on my phone, and surfing the web so I don't plan to stop any of those.

People need to understand that it really isn't just Microsoft who does it. You know that nice android phone that the majority of you have? Well you better sell it and not have a phone. You know that nice computer that you're using to post? Well you better do the same to that as well. I'm not saying that the government mining your privacy is right, because it isn't. But what can we honestly do about it (besides what we're currently doing about it, which is complaining)?

You can try just boycotting one company...but that won't do jack.

or go in the deep web and hide :D

me I trust them because there is no business advantage to fuck up with your privacy like the NSA issue.... they have more interest in having your trust by enforcing privacy policies in the boundaries of there contractual partnership with you, more than mess around.....

now when they don't have a choice well it's pretty simple : they don't have a choice.....

Also, I do trust govs for the most part to....because bottom line 99% of the time their intention are good and it is for our own safety..... and they usually don't care about your personal activities even if they are borderline legal as long as it is not big time organized crime activities....but yeah I'm sure they do mistakes or abuse their authority from time to time.... but it is way more the exception than the rule...

ask any North Korean if he wouldn't trade US gov and NSA PRISM against their own gov..... I'm sure they wouldn't mind a second... heck they'd even sign up for a monitoring device willingly over their own government....

so before you go all crazy screaming that it is a hidden dictatorship that your lives and privacy are threaten.... you guys stop and think for a second and ask yourself if you have it really that bad compared to most of the rest of the world population......

I think western Europe and NA (yeah I know other place exist) are the freest place to be on earth even with stuff like NSA.....

you do know there's more than one type of trust out there, right?  

Example:  trusting a big company.  what's their history like?  have they screwed over customers?  have they stolen things or breached security?  have they lied about features or taken them away? have they backed up their claims with their actions?  

Trust isn't just about whether you feel you can trust your life to them, nor is it always about whether you feel secure.  trust can also be about a company's track record.  for example, the PSN hack from 2011 is a good reason not to trust Sony, as their security policies have proven, in the past, to not be good enough.  They also took away backwards compatibility, other OS, and the ability to share between 5 consoles. all reasons to lose trust in them. (all kind of minor, but all genuine reasons to feel 'this is a company I can't trust')  

Microsoft, on the other hand, has made the Red Ring of Death, showing that they care more about profit and getting out first on the market than actual hardware reliability.  They promised games and exclusive features that never came (lame exclusive lineup, save their digital service).  They are spying on people and have offered personal info and logs to the NSA.  they planned on restricting a user's freedoms and rights by locking them down to a single system and limiting used games.  they WERE going to make it so that certain people would have bricked consoles by only supporting 21 countries and forcing their console to log online every day, so people in the military can't get their game on.  They may have reversed on a lot of these policies, but the fact remains:  they WERE going to implement them, which shows their true intentions. 

These are all very good reasons not to trust Microsoft.  shoddy hardware and anti-consumer policies, not to mention a breach of privacy via kinect and skype. I do not feel I can trust them, becuase in the past I've had two Xbox's red ring on me, so I don't feel I can trust their manufacturing until they prove themselves.  The Xbox 360 had the worst lineup of exclusives by the end of Gen 7, so like this generation I don't trust them to keep their promise of '15 new exclusive titles' beyond the chosen 15.  sony, on the other hand, may have had a lackluster launch, but ended up having a more robust lineup in the end.  This generation looks to be repeating that.  I don't like being watched, so I won't use my Kinect on Xbox 360, let alone One (and it has requirements of being online).  I don't often game  naked, but if I ever chose to, I don't want my man-bits being sent out to Microsoft.  Microsoft is also kinda lying/being deceptive.  Much like the PS4, a lot of the online requirements are up to developers.  Someone like Activision, EA, and Ubisoft can easily implement always-online requirements into their games if they wanted. When Xbox said the console won't force your daily checkup or used games restrictions, they weren't lying, but games like Sunset Overdrive that utilize the power of the cloud will still require you to be online at all times during play.  It's tricky, and it works for both consoles.  

so do I trust them?  Well, yes and no. I don't actively 'trust' Sony or Microsoft. but I do trust that, in the end, Sony's offerings will be better, and that their blunders will be blunders and not acts of malice or ignorance.  based on past experiences, I trust that Sony's lineup will be the best in the end; based on the Vita and PS3 in the last few years, I trust that Sony will treat indies right; based on the PS3's performance at launch vs Xbox's, I trust that Sony's hardware will not fail, but that the Xbox One might; based on the past generation of region locking, I trust that sony will remain region free (confirmed).  These are all ways to trust a console or company.  

I don't, however, trust Apple.  new hardware every few months, restrictive bullshit, overcharging me for stuff that's better on Windows or Linux.  If it wasn't for the fact that Linux is so relatively hard to use and doesn't support many programs I like to use, I'd never touch Windows again.