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Do you want micosoft to bring back the old Xbox One policies?

Yes! I actually liked the extra features 172 37.15%
 
No! I hated the DRM 189 40.82%
 
No! it was the reason i w... 102 22.03%
 
Total:463
theprof00 said:
MS never removed DRM because of the consumers. They did it because Gamestop was against their policies. It was costing gamestop too much. Notice that the day Gamestop announced it would stop taking preorders for xb1, MS said it would no longer carry drm (or the 10 person sharing feature)...ie, xb180. Then the very next day, Gamestop said it would then start taking preorders again.
Our very own benvtrigger said there was a big problem with the console and it had nothing to do with shortages.
Gamestop ended DRM, not the consumers. Your petition means nothing.


Microsoft had to foresee the Gamestop and consumer backlash



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Clearly it was them PS fanboys pretending to be Xbox fanboys,



Subie_Greg said:
theprof00 said:
MS never removed DRM because of the consumers. They did it because Gamestop was against their policies. It was costing gamestop too much. Notice that the day Gamestop announced it would stop taking preorders for xb1, MS said it would no longer carry drm (or the 10 person sharing feature)...ie, xb180. Then the very next day, Gamestop said it would then start taking preorders again.
Our very own benvtrigger said there was a big problem with the console and it had nothing to do with shortages.
Gamestop ended DRM, not the consumers. Your petition means nothing.


Microsoft had to foresee the Gamestop and consumer backlash

Companies caught up in their arrogance sometimes live completely in ignorance.
Just look at Sony 7 years ago. Failing. Nothing changing. Out of touch with the playstation consumer completely. No foresight to see the HD-DVD competition. No restructuring despite all signs pointing to economic recession and poor FOREX rates.

It's not really that these companies don't foresee it...it's that they think there's no problem. "Sure Gamestop will take a cut in profits, and they'll be upset, but fuck 'em. What are they going to do? Stop carrying the console? Nonsense."

It's like that.
(Then think about what would happen if Sony came along and was like..."we'll double your cut of every console sale if you stop carrying our competitor")



I was really looking forward for the Family Sharing... :(



Sony fans probably made this petition and they are the ones that will sign it.



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what would have been funny is to see gamestop die if Sony and MS had come up with the same idea... then what ???? they would have cut of both ??? yeah right then all other non second hand retailers would have been in heaven right now....

now that would have been priceless....



endimion said:
ok so now that the storm has past.... in all honesty who that DRM policy would have hurt???? I mean really???

cause DRMs have been present in many media markets now and nobody has actually suffered from it.... I never watched that many movies legally than now same goes for listening to music....

before you go bashing, me I plan to go DD only so the DRM change doesn't really concerns me....

but if I look at my habits today I don't see what would have changed for me and probably a huge majority of the 70 millions of gamers on XB.... I personally buy used games from gamestop and trade them there when they have good deals, I rarely lend my games to more than couple people that have been in my friend list for more than 30 days and I mostly (except one) buy games new (still sealed) on eBay..... all those things would have still be possible with the DRM policy in place and arguably could have eventually driven the price down(yeah I know it has to be proven)....
but still concretely what would have fundamentally changed for the majority of consumers???? and that haven't been already enforced and accepted with other media ????? cause people selling used games on eBay is a huge minority especially AAA titles... it's inconvenient for most gamers

those question are aimed at the majority, meaning the entire 70 million not the couple millions of hardcore that don't go through usual retailers like gamestop...

First of all, you really need to improve your grammer, I'm really struggling to understand you.

Second of all, DRM with the old X-Box policies would be very different from the policies enforced by iTunes and Netflicks. With iTunes, once you download a song, you own the mp3 on your computer, and are free to move it anywhere. If Apple went bankrupt, you would still keep your music. With Netflicks, you don't own movies, you rent them, so if they go out of buisness, you loose nothing. However with games, if Microsoft goes bankrupt, or even shuts down the servers like they did for the original X-Box, none of your games will work because you won't be able to check in anymore.

So with old DRM policies, you couldn't build a physical collection of games. Sure there is a chance future consoles will be backward compatible, and access your library, but these features would be entirely under Microsofts control. If they feel like stopping people from playing older games, they could, no problem. Maybe most people don't collect games, but I'm sure a lot of people like to have a shelf full of physical copies.

Also, the used game market would have been really hurt with the used game policy. It would kill small retailers (Do you buy all your used games at large chains? I don't), make it impossible to sell your old games for any real profit margin. Maybe you don't buy used games off eBay, but a lot of people do. I for instance am buying my PS4 with the money I made selling used games.

What's worse is that XBL will dictate the price we pay for games. XBL games are OVERPRICED, Halo 3 and Fable 2 are still $35 games on XBL, but $15 retail!

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So why loose our freedom to sell our old games? Why loose our freedom to play old games? Why be forced to buy old games at an upscale price? For what, diskless play? I never lend a game to more then 1 friend at a time, I don't need to share games between 10 people, and on X-Box, you only need the console to recognize the disk to play games. It's not spinning while you play.

The cons far outweight the pro's.



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Chevinator123 said:
anyone who actually thinks publishers are going to give 9 copys of there game away without receiving a cent is fooling themselves...

I never understood how people were dumb enough to believe that, i mean Sony did it with 5 people and they had to reduce to 2 and often it was the same people saying used games are killing the industry who wanted to be able to play all the games from their friends for free, fanboy logic is so weird.



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Wow, weird. Now some want them back, geez. Sure why not. Oooo how about having xbox one just continue to do 180's until launch while people are at it.



sorry I know but English is not my native language and I don't take much time proof reading stuff on game forums sorry but I'll try....

well what you depict here is IMHO a very small minority of players....

first yeah you could lose the possibility to play old games.... but looking at tech progression, I'm pretty sure that won't be an issue to keep server space up and running in ten years time for simple DRM checks that use almost no bandwidth or space...
then admitting they do it and don't keep supporting it.... I am pretty sure if it was the case they would release a patch for it.... people have to stop thinking every corporation is out to fuck them up, this is plain false even if from a regular joe point of view it might appear that way at times...
but even then let say they don't.... looking at current architecture of consoles (for XB1/PS4 that is) BC is more than likely to be possible on the next gen unless they move to another architecture but that would mean that PC x86 is dead which I highly doubt...

lets talk about second hand....most people don't go shop or trade at independent stores otherwise you wouldn't see those die left and right all over the world.....and eBay from experience is big in NA and few other markets and even there second hand is not that great... you can usually find the brand new version of game for a couple bucks more than a used one when you take shipping cost in the equation....

and comparing the current state of DD with what could/will? happen with next gen is completely flawed.... not saying it would have happened but when you see steam you have to wonder if it wouldn't have been possible on the XB1 or even the PS4....

so once again I'm not arguing the pros or cons of the DRM policy I'm asking who it would have really affected in the real world.... I doubt that number would have been over 10% of the install base.... I know it wouldn't have fundamentally affected me and most players I know

bottom line with or without it I'm fine since I plan to go DD only but I really think that most of it was more opinion based on something none of us knew exactly the actual results (sharing, price drop for DD, gain for devs to allow better/faster game development who knows what else) than actual impact on their habits.... all things considered I still think those people are marginal and a lot of it comes from that most people that are future customers haven't really heard much about next gen yet anyway.... too bad you can't virtualize economic models LOL

hopefully grammar is better lol :) sorry if otherwise