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green_sky on 10 July 2013

Easier to develop for but the more detailed art assets take longer. Just like it will take them more time and effort to put more pixels in Drake's face and t-shirt. Zarx explained it much better.



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Mensrea on 10 July 2013
curl-6 said:
Jumpin said:
It looks like some developers are having an easy time, Monolithsoft seems to have developed the most advanced looking game by far. Some others like Retro and the Wii Fit Team seem to be struggling big time.

Retro is struggling big time? Why, because their Wii U game isn't a technical marvel?


It's not even that it's unimpressive, it's that it's in some areas, flat out bad. Retro has been known for incredible graphical prowess. Metroid Prime is still one of the most beautiful games ever (IMO) and they made that shit on the gamecube.  This game looks almost identical graphically to Returns, which was beautiful for the Wii, but that was the wii....




curl-6 on 10 July 2013
Mensrea said:
curl-6 said:
Jumpin said:
It looks like some developers are having an easy time, Monolithsoft seems to have developed the most advanced looking game by far. Some others like Retro and the Wii Fit Team seem to be struggling big time.

Retro is struggling big time? Why, because their Wii U game isn't a technical marvel?


It's not even that it's unimpressive, it's that it's in some areas, flat out bad. Retro has been known for incredible graphical prowess. Metroid Prime is still one of the most beautiful games ever (IMO) and they made that shit on the gamecube.  This game looks almost identical graphically to Returns, which was beautiful for the Wii, but that was the wii....

It is disappointing that after every previous Retro game pushing its hardware, this one doesn't, but that doesn't mean they'e struggling, they may just be aiming for simple graphics.



Thechalkblock on 10 July 2013

if miyamoto is saying it, it must be true!



Cobretti2 on 10 July 2013

for fuck sakes learning how to do something and actually doing it are two different things. so what he says is not unreasonable.

Just like riding a bike, took a while to learn as a kid (if you skipped the training wheels) and once you learned it was relatively easy.



 

 

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bananaking21 on 10 July 2013
curl-6 said:

There's been mixed messages about how easy Wii U is to develop for.

Frozenbyte and Shin'en have called it "easy" and "accessible" while other devs like Criterion hav called it hard to work with.

The main problem seems to be that's its very different from either the PS3/360 or the PS4/X1 architecturally, so you can't just easily transfer a game across and have it run well, and devs don't have experience with getting the most out of it.

 

bananaking21 said:
im not even close to know about PC tech, but is the Wii architecture like a PC? or is it more complex or what exactly?

You mean Wii U? Or was "Wii" on purpose?


i honestly meant WiiU



prayformojo on 10 July 2013
bananaking21 said:
prayformojo said:
bananaking21 said:
im not even close to know about PC tech, but is the Wii architecture like a PC? or is it more complex or what exactly?


I'm pretty sure it's a power PC.

meaning pretty much his claims are true?

I'm not a "PC" guy, and don't claim to be but, I THINK power PC is a lot harder to develop for than say, the PS4. It's no where near PS3 difficult, but still, the curve is a little higher. Shouldn't be that big of a deal though and plus, no matter how hard it is, it's going to be a LOT cheaper to make games for it than the other two. In a couple years, when it's doing a lot better and companies are struggling to fund these massive AAA games for the PS4/Xbone, I think we'll start to see some backsliding with regards to third parties because at the end of the day it's a business and businesses like money.



Pavolink on 10 July 2013

Easier than Wii? Which was exactly as its predecessor?



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archbrix on 10 July 2013
pezus said:
the_dengle said:
Considering Unity Engine is notoriously easy to learn to use, and the Wii U supports Unity 100%, why are people skeptical? Drop the act. The hardware is easy to work with and that's why dozens of indie developers are checking it out.

Nintendo is why people are skeptical. As in, where were the games?

On 3DS. 



the_dengle on 10 July 2013
pezus said:
the_dengle said:
Considering Unity Engine is notoriously easy to learn to use, and the Wii U supports Unity 100%, why are people skeptical? Drop the act. The hardware is easy to work with and that's why dozens of indie developers are checking it out.

Nintendo is why people are skeptical. As in, where were the games?

He said the console is easy to develop for, not that Nintendo's internal teams immediately understood with no learning curve how to develop for it.

It's been stated several times before that Nintendo's studios had trouble adjusting to HD development in general, not Wii U development specifically. As I said, Wii U is 100% compatible with Unity, as plenty of indie teams are discovering. Thus, developing for Wii U is no more difficult than developing for Unity, an engine with a strong reputation of being easy to develop for. These dots are not hard to connect.

If you want to know where the games are, check the eShop this time next year. I daresay you'll find a few games.

As I recall, the Unity deal happened close to launch, and it's not as though every indie developer and their moms suddenly realized they should start making games for Wii U right at that moment. It has taken some time to get the word out -- but word is getting out.

Certainly the Wii U has had a bone-dry release schedule for the past 6 months, but there are plenty of factors to blame before we start haphazardly calling Miyamoto a liar and claiming that the console is inherently difficult to develop for despite decisive evidence to the contrary.