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In Intel's defense they show the minimum recommended hardware for the B580. For the Intel, the minimum supported CPUs are Intel 10th Gen, and for AMD it's Ryzen 3000 (excludes 3000 series APUs). IIRC this information is on the GPU box as well.

Edit: Yeah I found the page on Intel's site.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000091128/graphics/intel-arc-dedicated-graphics-family.html



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Pemalite said:
Zkuq said:

^True words about Windows... I haven't generally felt very bad with new Windows versions, except for UI downgrades and privacy concerns, but Windows 11 is a sloppy, buggy piece of software for sure. Microsoft even went and 'improved' many things that were working well, only to make them worse - even when they're working as designed. Of course it generally works just fine, but it still has enough annoyances in just the right places for me to call it terrible. Most recently it even gained a new bug: sometimes the texts for the desktop shortcuts/icons get blurry, and it gets fixed with a quick F5 press. Like seriously...

I have so many of my GOG.com games inoperable under Windows 11... It just sucks.

Games that have worked for over a quarter of a century, across all versions of Windows since 1995... Are just screwed under Windows 11.
I.E. Alpha Centauri.

Or more notably... Worked fine in Windows 11 until the 24h2 update.

The work around? Use my Retro Windows 98 PC (Athlon 1.4Ghz, 256MB Ram, 3DFX Voodoo 2+Radeon 9800Pro) or throw up a VM instance of Windows 98.

MSoft really f*cked things up with 24H2.

They may have fixed AMD CPUs problems, but everything else has gone out of the window (NVMe drives, games, Intel CPUs, printers, etc.).

Darc Requiem said:

In Intel's defense they show the minimum recommended hardware for the B580. For the Intel, the minimum supported CPUs are Intel 10th Gen, and for AMD it's Ryzen 3000 (excludes 3000 series APUs). IIRC this information is on the GPU box as well.

Edit: Yeah I found the page on Intel's site.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000091128/graphics/intel-arc-dedicated-graphics-family.html

While that is true, we don't know if that requirement comes from the 9000 and older Intel CPUs being too weak for the GPU, or because of BAR, as all the 10th gen processors/motherboards were able to enable it while some older boards didn't get a BIOS update to support it.

They even seem to acknowledge that after the table listing the Supported Hardware configurations:

"Additional platforms/motherboards not listed below and with Resizable BAR / Smart Access Memory enabled may also support Intel® Arc™ B-Series graphics."



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

@JEMC Not sure. Further testing will bear that out. That said an i5-9600K, Hardware Canucks testing, being a 6 core 6 thread CPU certainly is a factor. 10th Gen i5's like the i5-10400 are 6 core 12 thread CPUs. Even the 10th Gen i3, which as less cores at 4, still has more threads at 8. On the AMD side, the performance increase from Zen+ (2000 Series) to Zen 2 (3000 Series) was significant. Plus the Intel recommended spec page makes a point to single out 3000 Series APUs, which are Zen+, as not meeting the requirements.

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The thing with 24H2 is that I'd be almost willing to bet that MS has broken mostly things they didn't support anyway, and it's the fault of devs that they relied on unsupported features.

...That said, the chances are that MS also broke other stuff. Who knows.



Zkuq said:

The thing with 24H2 is that I'd be almost willing to bet that MS has broken mostly things they didn't support anyway, and it's the fault of devs that they relied on unsupported features.

...That said, the chances are that MS also broke other stuff. Who knows.

They did. Tons of non-gaming apps are broken from that damn update at my work place.

Granted these apps are ancient, like 90s ancient and are not getting updated or replaced.



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BasilZero said:
Zkuq said:

The thing with 24H2 is that I'd be almost willing to bet that MS has broken mostly things they didn't support anyway, and it's the fault of devs that they relied on unsupported features.

...That said, the chances are that MS also broke other stuff. Who knows.

They did. Tons of non-gaming apps are broken from that damn update at my work place.

Granted these apps are ancient, like 90s ancient and are not getting updated or replaced.

...As a software developer, am I glad that I can use Linux at work. I don't think my colleagues have had all that much trouble with Windows either, but I do know of some issues I can generally avoid by using Linux instead of Windows, and overall, I think it's a net win for me. I only wish I could use Linux in private too, but gaming in Linux still isn't quite there for me.



Got my new PC, it seems to run well. Even at 4k, the jump from an i7-4790k to an 9800X3D is nice.

Spoiler!

Now to think about upgrading the RTX 3070.

Darc Requiem said:

Make sure you check that your 990 PRO has the correct firmware. There was an issue that caused them to wearout prematurely and the firmware was discovered to be the culprit.

Thanks for that tip. I cheked the firmware and the SSD was fortunately updated.



Congratz to the new PC!



Congratulations!

One thing I'm sure you didn't think about but will notice for sure is that now downloads will be faster, because the CPU deals with that and I'm sure your old CPU was holding you back.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

Rhonin the wizard said:

Several games have just been removed from Steam.

https://steamdb.info/app/2319030/
Lotus Lantern: Rescue Mother

https://steamdb.info/app/2111860/
勇者之书 (The Book of Warriors)

These two are both available in Fanatical BYOBs.

Lotus Lantern: Rescue Mother
https://www.fanatical.com/en/pick-and-mix/platinum-collection-build-your-own-bundle

The Book of Warriors
https://www.fanatical.com/en/pick-and-mix/build-your-own-triple-pack-fantasy-edition

Some other games were also removed due to various reasons. Some might still be found on various 3rd party key-seller sites.

Got them yesterday - hilarious that two banned/delisted games were part of the bundles.

NyanNyanNekoChan said:

Got my new PC, it seems to run well. Even at 4k, the jump from an i7-4790k to an 9800X3D is nice.

Spoiler!
 

Now to think about upgrading the RTX 3070.

Thanks for that tip. I cheked the firmware and the SSD was fortunately updated.

Damn, whats with the SSDs recently. WD SSD I had to update the firmware too because it caused blue screen - had a blue screen upon boot up of my brand new PC back in November lmao.

Havent had an issue since I did the update though.

Congrats btw for the new gaming computer :)!