We have nothing further to discuss then as there is a fundimental breakdown of communication and understanding...in a non-disrespectful way.

Discuss? Don't ever fool yourself in thinking you "discuss".

I'm also pretty sure you meant what you said in a disrepctful way. 

They most likely can, but number one, it's an area where NO major distributor has set foot into (Steam is only just talking about it) so there IS no clear defined safe area between developers and consumers.

Secondly, the original idea, as I already have provided my analogy several times, was that Microsoft saw this as a good middle-ground, but to keep physical media in a separate form to digital media would have made the system feel like it was an unfinished platform. Their intention was most likely to have DRM as optional with the benefits coming with opting in, but publishers threatened to pull support, because there was no way to control piracy on particular situations (such as installing the media and then selling it privately to somebody who will only use it offline), hence the online checking part feeling like the rushed out part of the policy.

Yes they can. Thats the main point.

The only reason they are taking that away is because when they had DRM they tried to sell it by saying all this other stuff now becomes possible. Since that was all very very very public, they obviously cant take away DRM and then keep those features. That would mean their original press releases and PR was all blatant lies? Thats damn near illegal.

Way to only get half of the story there. Perhaps you should be reading more on the other side of the argument before jumping to such blatant conclusions.

You have not adressed the issue of physical media management. As I stated in the reply, keeping digital separate from physical in the account would make the system sppear rushed and not as seamless as what the original intent was. So, I take it you have some brilliant idea as to how these things are implemented seamlessly for physical media, too?

Fordy, initially, you replied to my post which you said i was wrong. You then kinda agreed with me saying that it is still possible (but perhaps not in the same seamless way). Thats all i was arguing was that all this stuff is still possible. And i stand by that, they are possible.

You brought up all the other stuff. And i do read your posts, I wont just read certain parts that suites me. I just dont think all of it was entirely relevant, i dont need to respond to every point you make in a post.

I only partially agreed, but that was a given. Nobody said DRM benefits could NOT be implemented on stuff that remains in the DRM scope, that's just ridiculous. I'm talking about the handling of physical media with seamless integration to DRM, while maintaining portabiity.

If you've read my posts, then you'll see that my stance IS a middle ground. I have stated before tha tI didn't agree with Microsoft's final solution and that's still correct. However, I will say one thing, and that is at least Microsoft brought SOME proposal to the table that would have been considered a logical step towards more digital distribution, while maintaining a foothold in the physical media market, and not giving any favouritism over one or the other. Granted, the solution did not work, but it was an attempt, which is much more than others can claim. While I would have stated several years ago that digital distribution was impossible due to limitiaions and ethical conflicts of interest, we're progressing closer and closer to it with each generation, more than many would have thought possible.

Are we there yet? Not quite. The issues between developer and consumer interests mainly hinder this, as well as laws (consumers wish to keep digital purchases as property, but publishers have a bigger interest in digital being classed as a service. An inevitable court case will clear this up sooner or later).  But it's getting closer, and Microsoft's attempt to recognise this only makes it more evident.

Angry Grandma said fuck you to Microsoft and Major Nelson. LMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWYPKYVbOiQ

I am aware offline play works. For a varied amount of time depending on the user.

They are two platforms that play games. You know why people are ok with the fact that you can't rent, lend, borrow, or resale PC games? Because you can routinely find them for very cheap.  Console games on the other hand are high in price and stay high in price for awhile, especially digital titles. I would have liked to see what happened with the Xbox One. I would love a console with the financial benefits of the PC market with DRM not quite as strict. Now, there's no telling if people would have accepted that or if it would have actually spurred any change. But it's better than the same consoles we already have just slightly more powerful. If it failed, oh well. There is still the PS4. God forbid someone tries something different.

I cannot fathom what I said in my last paragraph of that post that got you so upset. Instead of getting upset, why not explain how it could be done? All I am saying is I don't see how it could be done. LOL @ brainwashed. That's precious.

Steam offline play works. Period. It does not cutoff after a certain time period. Valve has never ever claimed that. And if you buy the game in store the people there will tell you that you only need internet to activate. They can't make things up...thats obviously what valve or the distributor told them to say. They can't lie about stuff like that. Atleast that is what happens in my country and in the shops i buy my games at.

People don't really have a choice with Steam games to lend, borrow or resell PC games. However they can shop at GoG and get DRM free versions. Anyways im of the opinion, like some others, that their is a fundamental difference between consoles gaming as a platform and steam. You will disagree so lets move on.

I said brainwashed because you are just taking everything MS is releasing and not actually thinking about what their motives were. And i still believe that all their functions they spoke about are possible without DRM and especially without daily check-ins.