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Kaizar said:

Nintendo has made just under 10 new IPs for the 3DS & under 5 new IPs for the Wii U. I will even name some:

Yarn Yoshi

Dillon's Rolling Western

Sakura Samurai: Art if the Sword

Steel Diver

Savvy Style: Trendsetters

Ketzal's Corridors

Kersploosh!

Pushmo

HarmoKnight

I know there are other new 1st party IPs, but right now that's all I can think of.

And here are some new 2nd party IPs:

Lego City Undercover

The Wonderful 101

And here are some new 3rd party IPs:

ZombiU

Rhythm Thief (the first sone is: Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure)

Most of these are eShop titles. People won't pay attention to new IP's if they aren't sold at retail or if they aren't made a big deal out of.



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NintendoPie said:
Kaizar said:

Nintendo has made just under 10 new IPs for the 3DS & under 5 new IPs for the Wii U. I will even name some:

Yarn Yoshi

Dillon's Rolling Western

Sakura Samurai: Art if the Sword

Steel Diver

Savvy Style: Trendsetters

Ketzal's Corridors

Kersploosh!

Pushmo

HarmoKnight

I know there are other new 1st party IPs, but right now that's all I can think of.

And here are some new 2nd party IPs:

Lego City Undercover

The Wonderful 101

And here are some new 3rd party IPs:

ZombiU

Rhythm Thief (the first one is: Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure)

Most of these are eShop titles. People won't pay attention to new IP's if they aren't sold at retail or if they aren't made a big deal out of.


Well Steel Diver & Savvy Style & Freakyforms Deluxe & other new 1st party IPs are retail, so still.



Kaizar said:


Well Steel Diver & Savvy Style & Freakyforms Deluxe & other new 1st party IPs are retail, so still.

First off, we shouldn't even mention Steel Diver. Secondly, Style Savvy... we shouldn't mention that either.

Third, wasn't FreakyForms on the eShop? I am sure it was. (I also said most of these are eShop titles. Not all.)



happydolphin said:
I agree with Miyamoto, but also Miyamoto you need to understand that a new IP has a value that a new game with the same IP doesn't present.

Sorry brah.


I largely agree for story based games but when it is a gameplay based game and you vastly change the gameplay fun element in future releases of a game it doesn't make a difference.

Plus.. Nintendo does create new IP like Wii Sports, Pikmin, Wii Fit, Xenoblade, Project X, The Wonderfull 101...   I know peeps are gonna be like Wonderfull 101 isn't made by Nintendo but there are many examples of Sony doing this and nobody cares. Sony doesn't own the studio making The Order for example as that dev made a wii game too. But who cares. If you publish and fund a game for your console it's first party.



cunger said:

I largely agree for story based games but when it is a gameplay based game and you vastly change the gameplay fun element in future releases of a game it doesn't make a difference.

Plus.. Nintendo does create new IP like Wii Sports, Pikmin, Wii Fit, Xenoblade, Project X, The Wonderfull 101...   I know peeps are gonna be like Wonderfull 101 isn't made by Nintendo but there are many examples of Sony doing this and nobody cares. Sony doesn't own the studio making The Order for example as that dev made a wii game too. But who cares. If you publish and fund a game for your console it's first party.

I know, but some people are craving for a new IP from the house that Mario built (or from the house that built Mario :P). I personally couldn't care too much as long as my tastes are met with Smash, pikmin and 3D Mario (even 3DW). 

I still agree with your 1st party is 1st party argument though.



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happydolphin said:
cunger said:

I largely agree for story based games but when it is a gameplay based game and you vastly change the gameplay fun element in future releases of a game it doesn't make a difference.

Plus.. Nintendo does create new IP like Wii Sports, Pikmin, Wii Fit, Xenoblade, Project X, The Wonderfull 101...   I know peeps are gonna be like Wonderfull 101 isn't made by Nintendo but there are many examples of Sony doing this and nobody cares. Sony doesn't own the studio making The Order for example as that dev made a wii game too. But who cares. If you publish and fund a game for your console it's first party.

I know, but some people are craving for a new IP from the house that Mario built (or from the house that built Mario :P). I personally couldn't care too much as long as my tastes are met with Smash, pikmin and 3D Mario (even 3DW). 

I still agree with your 1st party is 1st party argument though.


Personally i'm not really craving for one.   I get plenty of new ips on PS4..  I would much rather Nintendo returned to old IP's like Star Fox, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Ice Climbers, ect ect then spend their time on a new IP. 



cunger said:
happydolphin said:
cunger said:

I largely agree for story based games but when it is a gameplay based game and you vastly change the gameplay fun element in future releases of a game it doesn't make a difference.

Plus.. Nintendo does create new IP like Wii Sports, Pikmin, Wii Fit, Xenoblade, Project X, The Wonderfull 101...   I know peeps are gonna be like Wonderfull 101 isn't made by Nintendo but there are many examples of Sony doing this and nobody cares. Sony doesn't own the studio making The Order for example as that dev made a wii game too. But who cares. If you publish and fund a game for your console it's first party.

I know, but some people are craving for a new IP from the house that Mario built (or from the house that built Mario :P). I personally couldn't care too much as long as my tastes are met with Smash, pikmin and 3D Mario (even 3DW). 

I still agree with your 1st party is 1st party argument though.


Personally i'm not really craving for one.   I get plenty of new ips on PS4..  I would much rather Nintendo returned to old IP's like Star Fox, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Ice Climbers, ect ect then spend their time on a new IP. 


It's actually Nintendo that's short changing themselves by not creating new character IP that might appeal to a new audience though. Because a lof of their current IP appeal to the same narrow "Nintendo fan" demographic, if they were to create a new franchise like say "The Last of Us" and actually market it, their overall brand appeal would increase moreso than say making another ... Donkey Kong platformer.

They will occassionally invest in IP like X/Bayonetta 2 from other studios, but their core teams generally never work on things like that. It's a corporate culture I don't see changing until Miyamoto's role in the company is reduced, because I think his idea of what Nintendo should be is a company that basically operates around a handful of "family friendly" IP.



happydolphin said:
I agree with Miyamoto, but also Miyamoto you need to understand that a new IP has a value that a new game with the same IP doesn't present.

Sorry brah.

I like that Nintendo keeps each of its core franchises fresh and keeps pouring some awesome talent into making great and familiar family friendly games. The problem with Nintendo is that gap between those franchises "refreshes".

When they do a new game concept, they tend to start at 1980 Mario Bros level... instead of putting the new IP released at the Mario Galaxy production level. This is one area where Sony excels by putting their full talent/budget on a new game concept and new IP like the recently released The Last of Us... they didn't relegate it to an indie budget... they went all out.

Nintendo absolutely goes all out for games like Pikmin, Zelda, Mario etc... but then they completely sink other concepts by making that as cheaply as possible and poorly marketted. Xenoblade Chronicles only had Japan release and not much of a push in the US even when it was finally released here. There are many issues that Nintendo needs to get better on while they need to maintain the quality of productino they put behind their core titles.



Soundwave said:
cunger said:
happydolphin said:
cunger said:

I largely agree for story based games but when it is a gameplay based game and you vastly change the gameplay fun element in future releases of a game it doesn't make a difference.

Plus.. Nintendo does create new IP like Wii Sports, Pikmin, Wii Fit, Xenoblade, Project X, The Wonderfull 101...   I know peeps are gonna be like Wonderfull 101 isn't made by Nintendo but there are many examples of Sony doing this and nobody cares. Sony doesn't own the studio making The Order for example as that dev made a wii game too. But who cares. If you publish and fund a game for your console it's first party.

I know, but some people are craving for a new IP from the house that Mario built (or from the house that built Mario :P). I personally couldn't care too much as long as my tastes are met with Smash, pikmin and 3D Mario (even 3DW). 

I still agree with your 1st party is 1st party argument though.


Personally i'm not really craving for one.   I get plenty of new ips on PS4..  I would much rather Nintendo returned to old IP's like Star Fox, F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Ice Climbers, ect ect then spend their time on a new IP. 


It's actually Nintendo that's short changing themselves by not creating new character IP that might appeal to a new audience though. Because a lof of their current IP appeal to the same narrow "Nintendo fan" demographic, if they were to create a new franchise like say "The Last of Us" and actually market it, their overall brand appeal would increase moreso than say making another ... Donkey Kong platformer.

They will occassionally invest in IP like X/Bayonetta 2 from other studios, but their core teams generally never work on things like that. It's a corporate culture I don't see changing until Miyamoto's role in the company is reduced, because I think his idea of what Nintendo should be is a company that basically operates around a handful of "family friendly" IP.

It is not so much that Nintendo needs new IPs, they need to better promote the ones they do have.

Looking at Nintendo's full stable of franchises, there are only a few genres they don't already have a representative in or one that couldn't be converted. If they wanted a RTS game aside from Pikmin, Advance War or Fire Emblem are easy converted, FPS, Metriod, Star Fox or once again Advance War are possibile candidates besides creating a new IP. The problem comes in execution, Other M and Star Fox Assualt both suffered from being put on the backs of other companies and the vision of them being outside what the fanbase wanted in the franchise, and promotion the lack of fanfare for the Wii version of Punch Out! or F-Zero games.

Sadly, even though they are creating new games, I don't see this problem changing anytime soon, as no doubt either Pikmin 3 or Wonderful 101  are going to wind up doing badly, because Nintendo is going to cheap out on the advertising and marketing despite the games themselves perhaps being quality products. Meanwhile, they will probably wind up throwing a massive amount of promotion into 3/4s of the Mario games while the other franchises are throw out into the vacuum of the market without muc more then a few trailers.



RolStoppable said:
DialgaMarine said:

 I guess Uncharted, Last of Us, and Little Big Planet were all taken from someone else. Tell you what. If you can name a core Sony franchise that has a part 5 or 6 to it, I'd love to hear about it.

Gran Turismo?

 I stand corrected. I forgot that one simply because it's my preffered genre, and I've never touched a GT or any Racing sim in my life. In that title's deffense though, it still goes against everything that comment said. GT is THE oriiginal racing sim on consoles, and so many games try to follow in it's footsteps. It wasn't copied or stolen from any company like the comment implies.





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