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BinaryDelt said:
Pemalite said:

They tried this tactic with Windows 8. "Consumers don't understand, they just need to accept change and get educated!".

If they dropped the 24 hour check in... (Who has an Internet connection that never goes down? What company never has had servers go down and kept them online FOREVER? They killed any retro gaming essentially.)
Then I would imagine more people would be on-board.

I was thinking about the retro gaming thing the other day.  One of the great things about being a gamer is dusting off an old console to play a classic.  HD re-releases are great, but sometimes don't capture the fun of remembering the feel of the old controller, the "man, this takes me back" feeling, etc.  Obviously a lot of games will have no replay value 10 years from now due to infrastructure requirements, but I'd like to think retro gaming will live on.  Unfortunately, it may be a hobby that is dying a slow death.

This is what I had been wondering about also:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=162428&page=1#



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dane007 said:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-13-xbox-one-check-in-will-need-kilobytes-not-megabytes for those who worry about connection . You can even use phone tethering to connect .

Why should someone have to bother doing tethering or whatever, for a device that plays game content?  Why demand the do this?  And that check in is lame.  It is ONLY, and I repeat ONLY for authentication.  It has NOTHING for doing updates or whatever?  It is just for cracking down on used game sales, and really nothing else.



Pemalite said:
dane007 said:

Tell me this " do you think it is right fro a person  to borrow firneds copy of the game and finish single player an plays hours of multiplayer without havging to paya single dime for the game amnd relies on doing that? Do you think thats right and legal?

Yes, I think it is right for someone to be allowed to do that, I let my brother play on my Steam account with 500+ games, should I have to pay for those 500+ games again? No way, the developers/publishers/valve got my money and if they want to keep getting my money on future game sales they have to do the right thing by me.
They aren't entitled to our money, companies should have to work for it and provide incentive.

As for legality, companies can write whatever they desire in EULA's and ToS's, it doesn't override your basic consumer rights or what is written in the law/constition or via legal precedents already set in court such as the first sale doctrine.

Besides, you don't see movie companies charging for second hand sales, music companies charging for second hand sales so why should the games industry be any different? Simple. They are being greedy instead of working for it.


No yo ushouldn't have to buy it but your nrother should havehis own account and buy his own game. Wgat you are doing by allowign taht person to never buy game adn rely on you to share it ,, is poracy because every game taht person finishess for free is one less sale adn profit to teh developers who worked hard for it. Look at witcher 2 and how many times it got pirated. It got pirated more times then actual copies sold.  Imagine how many people woul dhave done that by sharing to their friends. Also do n't you know you  neverowned teh game when you buy it. You just pay fpor the license to play th egame .



richardhutnik said:
dane007 said:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-13-xbox-one-check-in-will-need-kilobytes-not-megabytes for those who worry about connection . You can even use phone tethering to connect .

Why should someone have to bother doing tethering or whatever, for a device that plays game content?  Why demand the do this?  And that check in is lame.  It is ONLY, and I repeat ONLY for authentication.  It has NOTHING for doing updates or whatever?  It is just for cracking down on used game sales, and really nothing else.

Why do people play steam? Why do people  need to conenct onlien to play games on steam?  Why is steam really popular? Is the way of teh future and irts boudn to happen  .  Sharing gaems to friends hwo would never pay a diem and repa the benefits of finishing the SP and multiplayer is worng and piracy. Whats teh difference in waitign  for a new game to drop in price then buyign teh second hand game. As you gusy buy it because its cheaper right? Why ot wait for ne game to drop in price.Same concept right .



dane007 said:

Why do people play steam? Why do people  need to conenct onlien to play games on steam?  Why is steam really popular? Is the way of teh future and irts boudn to happen  .  Sharing gaems to friends hwo would never pay a diem and repa the benefits of finishing the SP and multiplayer is worng and piracy. Whats teh difference in waitign  for a new game to drop in price then buyign teh second hand game. As you gusy buy it because its cheaper right? Why ot wait for ne game to drop in price.Same concept right .


For starters... You don't HAVE to connect to Steam to play games, it has a perfectly usable offline mode, when I moved house I decided not to get the Internet connected for a few months untill everything was settled and sorted out financially.

Plus, not sure on the US of A, but we are legally allowed to circumvent DRM, that's seriously easy to do on the PC, consoles? Not so much.

dane007 said:


No yo ushouldn't have to buy it but your nrother should havehis own account and buy his own game. Wgat you are doing by allowign taht person to never buy game adn rely on you to share it ,, is poracy because every game taht person finishess for free is one less sale adn profit to teh developers who worked hard for it. Look at witcher 2 and how many times it got pirated. It got pirated more times then actual copies sold.  Imagine how many people woul dhave done that by sharing to their friends. Also do n't you know you  neverowned teh game when you buy it. You just pay fpor the license to play th egame .

No. I shouldn't have to re-buy it.
And if that's Piracy... Then so is singing a song in the shower, letting someone borrow your car, someone else sitting down and watching a movie with you.

As for the Witcher 2 and Piracy... It's common knowledge the PC is rife with Piracy, developers and publishers still make Billions.
Problem is though, Publishers and Developers need to wake up and realise they need to give people incentive not to pirate, not just force DRM down our necks which does absolutely nothing except annoy the legitimate purchasers.
Do you really think pirates have to deal with DRM? Nope. Only legal buyers and the DRM will be circumvented on the PC.

Microsoft is adding DRM for the sake of annoying it's legitimate customers, if people are going to mod and pirate games, they are going to do it regardless of a 24 hour check in or not, they will just disable that functionality.




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 You are right, but a lot of consumers are also educated and know why  DRM it's pure BS. Those consumers will most likely not touch the  Xbox One.



                
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Pemalite said:
dane007 said:

Why do people play steam? Why do people  need to conenct onlien to play games on steam?  Why is steam really popular? Is the way of teh future and irts boudn to happen  .  Sharing gaems to friends hwo would never pay a diem and repa the benefits of finishing the SP and multiplayer is worng and piracy. Whats teh difference in waitign  for a new game to drop in price then buyign teh second hand game. As you gusy buy it because its cheaper right? Why ot wait for ne game to drop in price.Same concept right .


For starters... You don't HAVE to connect to Steam to play games, it has a perfectly usable offline mode, when I moved house I decided not to get the Internet connected for a few months untill everything was settled and sorted out financially.

Plus, not sure on the US of A, but we are legally allowed to circumvent DRM, that's seriously easy to do on the PC, consoles? Not so much.

dane007 said:


No yo ushouldn't have to buy it but your nrother should havehis own account and buy his own game. Wgat you are doing by allowign taht person to never buy game adn rely on you to share it ,, is poracy because every game taht person finishess for free is one less sale adn profit to teh developers who worked hard for it. Look at witcher 2 and how many times it got pirated. It got pirated more times then actual copies sold.  Imagine how many people woul dhave done that by sharing to their friends. Also do n't you know you  neverowned teh game when you buy it. You just pay fpor the license to play th egame .

No. I shouldn't have to re-buy it.
And if that's Piracy... Then so is singing a song in the shower, letting someone borrow your car, someone else sitting down and watching a movie with you.

As for the Witcher 2 and Piracy... It's common knowledge the PC is rife with Piracy, developers and publishers still make Billions.
Problem is though, Publishers and Developers need to wake up and realise they need to give people incentive not to pirate, not just force DRM down our necks which does absolutely nothing except annoy the legitimate purchasers.
Do you really think pirates have to deal with DRM? Nope. Only legal buyers and the DRM will be circumvented on the PC.

Microsoft is adding DRM for the sake of annoying it's legitimate customers, if people are going to mod and pirate games, they are going to do it regardless of a 24 hour check in or not, they will just disable that functionality.

I didn't say you should rebuy it. I said your brother should make his own account and buy his own games using his account. Theres a difference here. It is piracy here as for each game a person doens't buy and borrow  to finish it ,, is equivalent to one less copy. Now if millions and millions do that , then milliosn of potential sales would have been lost. Imagine a good company misses target sales by 500k but finds out the game has been pirated 3 million times and now faces shutting down. Whos fault is that when it could have been prevented if you weren't allowed to share it like that. The reason why they are more strict because gamers these days are doign it more often we as gamners made thm do it by being chep skates. If you can't afford to buy the game ,, jsut wait till tis cheap. Is it that much important to polay the game straight away? Do you even know what Piracy means?

Um not all games. Metro2033 on steam requires me to be onlin just to get steam s you need steam to launch the game. You can't just put the game in an dlaunch it without launching steam. That itslef reyqures always on internet conenction. Same with Red faction armageddon. I have these games on pc hence why i know it requires an internet connection to just play the game. Haha pc market does not make as much as consoles. Wicther 2 doesn't have DRM and it was a bloddy good rpg yet people rather pirate it then pay fro the game. If teh game weren't pirated then teh dveloper would have attained bigger profit which would be useful to the company as its a small studio and any profit is good profit for them. PC gamers are generally cheap skates lol. There alot of good games that hav ebeen pirated alot because people don't want to buy it and pc games are genrally cheaper then cpnsoles by quite a bit  especially where i am based at .
Witcher company is against DRM hece the GOG site adn yet the game was pirated 4.5 millions time. What can you say to that?

 

"Microsoft is adding DRM for the sake of annoying it's legitimate customers, if people are going to mod and pirate games, they are going to do it regardless of a 24 hour check in or not, they will just disable that functionality." I am sure Ms woudl find a way to prevent it.  Gamers have to learn that nothing is free in life.. If you want to play game ,, spend the cash for it and if you can't afford it  then wait for a discount . Simple enough right?



Damnyouall said:

When asked about the negative reaction of the internet and E3 towards Xbone's DRM, Microsoft Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi replied: "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

Sounds to me like he is saying that they will get away with the DRM because most consumers are too ignorant idiots. Do you agree?

Fixed.

Well yeah I kinda agree that most consumers are idiots. It's just surprising that Mehdi is willing to let us all in on that little trade secret and pretty openly tell people they are idiots. Of course very few people will read / hear of this condescending statement so it'll amount to not much.



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Damnyouall said:

When asked about the negative reaction of the internet and E3 towards Xbone's DRM, Microsoft Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi replied: "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

Sounds to me like he is saying that they will get away with the DRM because most consumers are too ignorant. Do you agree?

and he is right... cause if it wasn't the case google, facebook, instagram and the likes would all be bnkrupt by now.... if some people in gamers community don't care like me cause it won't change anything to my habbits.... you can be sure it won't matter to a lot of people in the mainstream that use tech device the way they are a told without asking questions.....

and DRMs in one form or the other is an invetiable consequence for the entire industry you just watch, it will happen no matter what.... it might get better and less intrusive but it will be there...



I feel used games dont have much negative impact. So what now?