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ironmanDX said:
happydolphin said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
happydolphin said:
You celebrate this yet shit on the xbone.... the hypocrisy will never end.

I don't get your comment.

Everyone is on MS' ass for monetizing everything, from xbox live to DRM policies to the control of used games. Ultimately it all boils down to concerns over money and what you get for that money.

Yet here Sony and you the gamer will be able to monetize everything from trophies to the advice you give and you lap it up like there's no tomorrow.

A valid point. It's happening with some for the online paywall already also. MS are giving away achievements for free apparently too next gen. I wonder how many more money grabs Sony will do to help offset the cheap price of the PS4. Will BC cost money? Unlikely, that would suck.

yeah... i learn the other day that you can get a achievement for being a day 1 buyer of the xbox one... i can see it now... long lines out side of stores to get that achivement...

@ OP... people and their expectations... sony haters expect the worse from this and sony lovers expect the best... this while knowing nothing about what this is... LOL



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happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

Yeah let's avoid that whole gun thing because I disagree off the bat lol.

You agree that both gamers and Sony are empowered. Good.
DRM empowers MS, and undermines gamer assets.

Not to mention that one is optional and another is not, I'm sure you can begin to see pretty comprehensive differences between the two ideas.

Furthermore, Skins, dlc, and games are already traded on ebay. This is no different, and actually, from a business angle it makes more sense for Sony to run this type of auction than ebay, who collects 10% along with paypal who collects 2% in fees. In the end, this will help lots of gamers get to experience more games, and will "incentivize" people to buy games through pre-order with bonuses, than to buy used. Think about it, if you buy day one, and get a dlc or skin that could give you 5-6 dollars in points, why wait for a game price to drop even 10$, when at that point you're making the difference almost negligible.

Yes, this idea is designed to increase sales. Yes, this idea is designed to make money.

But the way in which DRM makes money is much much different.

Okay, you win. When Sony start fabricating virtual assets out of nowhere and having people trading things they paid money for them and setting the prices, you'll know what I mean. People will thing they are getting value when they are not. It's a question of business and economy, but in the end that's how this kind of thing works. I understand that I could be very mistaken, but at least I see a risk which others don't and I do find it funny.

and I find it funny that you leap at the chance to call someone a hypocrite because of a conspiracy theory.



theprof00 said:

and I find it funny that you leap at the chance to call someone a hypocrite because of a conspiracy theory.

Because to me money-sucking is what it was about, it was unimaginable to me for it to be seen otherwise, but hey~

To each their own.



RenCutypoison said:
PullusPardus said:
badgenome said:

You'll be able to auction off your trophies? Hakoom will be a very rich man!

Sounds pretty stupid, but whatever, Sony.


that guy's already from Qatar (AKA filthy rich) , going to be some serious business.

Edit : nope Bahrain, i guess not as filthy rich as I thought.


They bought (really, bought) every good athlet on olympics 2004 (it was like "and this guy was running for USA 4years ago" "that one was french" "oh, an asian")

They do are rich. Or extremely poor. Put extremely poor ones don't have a ps3.


Qatari people? nah, they're filthy rich, all of them.

Bahraini people? , they're still rich, richer than most US citizens, but not as rich as Qatari , Saudi and -cough- Kuwaiti people (inb4 VXIII buying another oil pump for instant profit)



PullusPardus said:
RenCutypoison said:
PullusPardus said:
badgenome said:

You'll be able to auction off your trophies? Hakoom will be a very rich man!

Sounds pretty stupid, but whatever, Sony.


that guy's already from Qatar (AKA filthy rich) , going to be some serious business.

Edit : nope Bahrain, i guess not as filthy rich as I thought.


They bought (really, bought) every good athlet on olympics 2004 (it was like "and this guy was running for USA 4years ago" "that one was french" "oh, an asian")

They do are rich. Or extremely poor. Put extremely poor ones don't have a ps3.


Qatari people? nah, they're filthy rich, all of them.

Bahraini people? , they're still rich, richer than most US citizens, but not as rich as Qatari , Saudi and -cough- Kuwaiti people (inb4 VXIII buying another oil pump for instant profit)


no, bahrein



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happydolphin said:
darkknightkryta said:

Happy you're still not answering the question.  You're just saying DRM is good, auction house is bad, people are hypocrites to not like DRM (Well Microsoft's way of doing it anyways).

Auction House: Monotizing your personal goods.

DRM: Restricting use of your personal goods.

Notice how these two statements aren't equivalent or anywhere near being the same?

Hey Kryta, he asked "how is bold like italicised". My answer is that they are both means for the companies to suck more money out of us. I then went on to explain exactly how.

With the way you lay it out, Sony is putting money into your hands. But after I described the virtual economy to prof, it should be clear how that isn't the case, but is rather what they would like you to think.

I read your answer and I'm telling you your wrong.  Theprof gave you a similar explanation and example as I was planning too so I won't go much further. Having two situations, regardless of a similar consequence(A consequence based on your opinion), does not make them the same.



darkknightkryta said:

I read your answer and I'm telling you your wrong.  Theprof gave you a similar explanation and example as I was planning too so I won't go much further. Having two situations, regardless of a similar consequence(A consequence based on your opinion), does not make them the same.

Time will tell, but I would bet you are incorrect. The reason for creating a virtual economy is to make money, not at all unlike the F2P model. It's not a question of opinion to me but suit yourself.



I think everyone is reading this wrong. In the greatness awaits interactive video it mentions they will be auctioning off things from the video and only taking gold trophies as payment. Essentially there can be auctions using trophies. It's intriguing.



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happydolphin said:
darkknightkryta said:

I read your answer and I'm telling you your wrong.  Theprof gave you a similar explanation and example as I was planning too so I won't go much further. Having two situations, regardless of a similar consequence(A consequence based on your opinion), does not make them the same.

Time will tell, but I would be you are incorrect. The reason for creating a virtual economy is to make money, not at all unlike the F2P model. It's not a question of opinion to me but suit yourself.

I actually made a mistake with my claims, you did try to answer, sorry about that.  I was just about to correct that in my post.  But like I said, you're wrong and dodging.  Auction House != DRM.  You called Sony fans hypocrites because they're complaining about DRM and Sony is now doing the same thing.  Theprof asked you how Auction House = DRM.  Then you go on a rant about how Sony is trying to make money by monetizing digital goods and Microsoft did it too.  That's completely dodging the question by answering it wrong.  Even now you're not explaining how DRM, which restricts users goods, is the same as an auction house, which  gives users a chance to monetize their goods. 



darkknightkryta said:

I actually made a mistake with my claims, you did try to answer, sorry about that.  I was just about to correct that in my post.  But like I said, you're wrong and dodging.  Auction House != DRM.  You called Sony fans hypocrites because they're complaining about DRM and Sony is now doing the same thing.  Theprof asked you how Auction House = DRM.  Then you go on a rant about how Sony is trying to make money by monetizing digital goods and Microsoft did it too.  That's completely dodging the question by answering it wrong.  Even now you're not explaining how DRM, which restricts users goods, is the same as an auction house, which  gives users a chance to monetize their goods. 

I never negated the benefits of the auction house. But I emphasized the negatives and likened them to DRM. I never said it's the same thing as DRM, but I called out people who were immediately excited about this when the unanimity was at arms against Microsoft's capitalistic practices.