Gunna need a source for this.

Sorry, I meant reliable data.

The first result was Gamecube, the second was SNES.  Hardly relevant...

Which is why Sony has Day One Digital where you can download your games the instant they come out (does it automatically download? I personally have never used it.)

They should do this with books also, If I buy a paperback book, after I read it I can't give or sell it to someone else without the publisher getting some cash for transferring the 'license'. Same with used cars, when I sell my used Chevy, GM should get some cash. Do not let anyone borrow your music CDs either, unless you pay another 'license fee'. My point is with physical media, the physical media should itself be the license, and after buying it you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Whoever started the 'you don't own the game, just the license' bullshit is full of shit. Now with digital downloads, that's a different matter, you pretty much have to agree to whatever they demand if you want the 'convenience of the lack of physical media', ie, you're too lazy to get up off your sorry ass to swap disks.

hardly relevant to show that people rely on selling used games...

There's 120k current auctions for ps360, that's just ebay. Not amazon, not cragislist...

I wouldn't be surprised if 250k games are traded through these extended markets per day.

I am not trying to strawman anyone.  You responded twice, neither addressed the content of my post appropriately, if at all.

I suspect it may be that we simply disagree.

Ultimately I am likely to purchase both systems, likely the PS4 first actually.  My point is simply that the enormous overreaction to the Xbox ONE was just that, and at this point its gaming offerings appear superior to the PS4s, on current information.  I am far more annoyed at MS over price than anything else.

For future reference, often accusing someone of using strawman tactics is an instance of using strawman tactics in itself

Sorry, both consoles will look great whether they use "cloud computing" if it works like Microsoft says or the physical hardware of the PS4 which is hardware so it's reliable in that sense. Therefore, cloud computing will give no amazing advantage. 

Source: I said they would look great, which is an opinion statement.

Peter Moore denies the desire for DRM in an interview with a straight face. Okay i can't be sure about his face. Feel free to make a thread since this one is already bloated now.

Basically says EA never expressed any desire for restricting used games and other drm. Also states that he didn't know what position Sony would take before the E3 conference. So yea that guy with the GTA4 and Halo 3 tattoos.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/11/4421314/electronic-arts-talks-drm-and-used-games

This is an argument neither of us can prove...but here goes...

Most of those auctions are listed for weeks, if not more.  And by how many accounts?  Far fewer.  And compared to how many consoles? 250 million sold last generation so far and growth projected?  As I said, a tiny minority, and overwhelmingly conducted through Gamestop.

Irrespective, though more restrictive, the Xbox ONE DOES make provisions for selling games.

The Turbocharged can be the Cloud

PC is all the others cars in the market from 20HP (karts) to over 9000HP lol