Well, I cannot argue with someone who sees the future.

So Sony is telling a lie? They are the ones who confirmed publishers can put whatever DRM on there they want.

Well, now you are just blantantly lying to yourself.  Just like hynad said it's useless to talk to you so I won't even try but Sony said no such thing. All we have right now is sony saying online registration for a system that requires no internet connection that can play used games.

Can play used games, if the publisher allows it. I guess you forgot about that one.

Instead of crying about what I am saying, maybe go read the quotes from Sony themselves? That might help you out a bit here.

Learn from the history my friend.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/how-not-to-boycott-modern-warfare-2/

People's areguements who are known directly to mislead on a fairly consistant basis?

So again.  You believe Obama on everything he says in regards to the NSA and all the other recent scandals?

That's what your claim on logic suggests you do, or your being illogical right?

For a slightly exagerrated example... if someone tries to sell me a house, and i buy it and found out it was owned by someone else.  I should totally believe them the next time they try and sell me a house.

The problem here, as shown by the textbook you mentioned and class you mentioned is that your trying to apply formal logic(mathmatical logic) to non mathmatical statements made untrustworthy databrokers. 

So question about were the drm is used from. Thefes a rumor going around the every x1 game has dedicated servers which I would assume come from ms. So would the drm come from these servers or some where else? Im just asking because if theres one company that I think could handle the server load of drm its ms

A) I'm speculating off your speculation.  Console manufactuers own the console and have complete control over ther ecosystems.  Whether or not they decide to exercise that control who knows?  In general, it makes sense to assume so however, because they could literally stop anything they don't approve of.

B2)  No, but to assume otherwise seems like a bad idea.  Considering how the vast majority of publishers do everything they can to lock down games, and have generally lobied specifically for laws that say used sales should have a "tax" that goes back to the original IP maker.

You're also assuming that it's the Xone that doesn't care about those markets... and not Market Pressure from the big publishers like EA, Activision and Ubisoft who have been lobbying like crazy for the above laws.

B3)  Yes, that would be surprising to me, since Online passes started off small and made like, 15 million dollars off used games before they even got around to the second installment of said sports games... and were such a huge success basically everyone started copying them.  They had them for years, everyone thought they were great, and then EA decided "eh we don't want to do this anymore" like... a few months before the Xone revieal?  That's supposed to be a coincidence?

Sports games for example don't really have much DLC/microtransations... and the people who do buy that stuff... probably are going to be buying new anyway.  Don't you think?  Who loves sports so much they have to have special edition rosters and legendary players.... but doesn't actually buy the sports game until after the season is over and the rosters are all completely different?

Let alone by $10 worth of that each transaction?

B4)

As for Watchdog... the Xone and PS4 versions are different... they're going to have more indepth physics, more features.  They're going to be upgraded versions of a game.  So the arguement basically boils down to "Do you think the premium version games will be treated the same way and have the same features/be more restrictive/ cost more then the cheaper version.  Or just one of them because a company says it's up to the developer what kind of drm they want."

Again, they haven't been as direct as you think they have.   They may or may not implement these things, but there is nothing in those statements that should make you feel like it's likely they won't.  It's all pr "Lets keep the doors open who knows what we might do". doubletalk.

For a specific Sony case that's similar...  Remember when Hackers got to the PS3 through linux?  Sony removed the linux feature and a lot of people argued it was ok because online as different, and that not updating your console wouldn't effect your ability to play games, since sony said if you refused to update the firmware sony said it  " Wouldn't Effect any games that can be played on the PS3."

People pushed sony for a hard answer and got no reply.

Then the update rolled along... and it turned out they told the truth.  "It wouldn't effect any games that could be played on the PS3."  However it would effect every game released for the PS3 after.  At that point the initial wave and backlash had somewht blown over and it was easy to sail over the criticism.

(Which by the way is exactly what i said would happen, and people ignored.)

To show consistancy, Microsoft by the way just recently likely did the same thing during the Xone reveal.   That whole section they did "demonstrating" the console was almost definitly prebaked.  I'd be money on it.  They never say it's actually running, they say things like "it's just that easy".  However, i HIGHLY doubt it was actually running.  (Espiecally based on how he kept saying Xbox casually and yet nothing wonky happened).

To believe this stuff whole heartidly because "they said so", is a mistake, until something is in a solid difinitive statement, they take questions on that statement and take every grilling question about it.

So when did peoples arguments become mathematical? You are wrong, just admit it.

Also Mark Cerny said the PS4 can be played old school style, with no internet conection at all. Stop trying to twist things to your liking. Sony has said time and again they aren't implementing DRM on their system. They are going far enough to freaking joke about it. Do you really think they are going to just blatantly lie? They are being pretty straight forward, it's just people like you who like to twist things to their liking that are the problem. Then you like to make yourself sound smart by belittling others. You tell someone that they didn't take the class they took, and that you know more about that subject than them. You are a real piece of work.

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Where's this mathematical logic?

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