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ironmanDX said:
WagnerPaiva said:
So, is MS doomed?

Is it any different on this site?


Nah, VGchartz is the coolest site and has the coolest gamers. And I tell you, my friend, give me a horror game in the 15 exclusives and some Ilumiroom, then, my PS4 will have to share my living room with a XBOXONE =D

Althought, I will cover the Kinect camera with a towel or something, I am a very paranoid person.



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KylieDog said:
A few weeks ago:

It won't block used games, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!

It won't need connect to internet, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!

Now:

It doesn't have heat problems, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!




I see a pattern.

it's still good, it's still good!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

KylieDog said:
A few weeks ago:

It won't block used games, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!

It won't need connect to internet, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!

Now:

It doesn't have heat problems, is just Sony fanboys hating on MS new console!




I see a pattern.

Also:

Kinect has to be connected or the console won't work? Thats just lies created by sony fanboys!

3GB of RAM reserved for the OS? come on sony fanboys you can do better than that, stop with your lies!

8GB of GDRR5 for the PS4? hahahaha your are dreaming sony is bankrupt already!



sunK1D said:

This yield rumor is old...
Microsoft has one thing Sony lacks right now and that is CASH. I wouldn't be so quick to discredit them even though I'll be going PS4 next gen.

I believe if MS will have problems meeting demand they could always bring on line another Chip maker.  As people have noted, the fix for this problem might just be money.  If the resources you currently have are not making enough of your product, you just commission more resources.



Machiavellian said:
sunK1D said:

This yield rumor is old...
Microsoft has one thing Sony lacks right now and that is CASH. I wouldn't be so quick to discredit them even though I'll be going PS4 next gen.

I believe if MS will have problems meeting demand they could always bring on line another Chip maker. 

No they can't. 28nm lines don't grow on trees. I'm pretty sure that all 28nm lines are running at max capacity or thereabouts. Yes it can be solved with money, but with a lot of, and I mean A LOT OF money, since they basically have to "buy manufacturing plant time" from other contractors.



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This is hilarious.

If it's true like Ethomaz said, that the Xbone APU is more expensive than the PS4 APU and will remain so over the whole generation, and yet the PS4 is 50% more powerful, now that must be seen as a serious engineering failure.

I'm so pissed off. How can they fail so bad?

I want xbone to be able to give PS4 a match, a good fight. Not become laughing stock.



drkohler said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe if MS will have problems meeting demand they could always bring on line another Chip maker. 

No they can't. 28nm lines don't grow on trees. I'm pretty sure that all 28nm lines are running at max capacity or thereabouts. Yes it can be solved with money, but with a lot of, and I mean A LOT OF money, since they basically have to "buy manufacturing plant time" from other contractors.

The problem as i read it isnt that they cannot manufacture enough chips in time, its the chips they are making have a high probability of not meeting the speed they have decided to go with. This means they have to either fix the problem, make more chips (where they throw a % away as they are not the right speed) or they need to lower the speed.

So say you decide to make a chip that can go the speed of 1000... but only 65% of chips you make can reach this number, that means 35% of all chips you make cannot be used. Therefore its very expensive and wasteful. By lowering the speed you can increase the % of chips that will meet the new required speed... but with the obvious downside that its slower.

Anyway thats how i understand it, would be interesting to hear if that is not what is being discussed here.

As for the problem, Neogaf might be right, they might be wrong, but at the moment all we have are rumours. No point getting stressed about rumours, all we can do is wait for the consoles to be released and see what happens. If the PS4 console is more powerful, i woudnt worry about people downgrading the PS4 versions of games because they'll be making a version of games for PC, and wont need to downscale the PS4 version to whatever the XboxOne performance is.

It wouldnt surprise me that Sony knew of some of these issues and thats why they were more inclined to publish some of their specs because they knew it would put MS in a tight spot.

E3 is definately where its at next week, hopefully we find out more information.



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You know what would be really nice to see?

People posting about how they hope this isn't true as it would be bad for the industry instead of celebrating this unconfirmed rumor with masturbatory glee.



Slimebeast said:
This is hilarious.

If it's true like Ethomaz said, that the Xbone APU is more expensive than the PS4 APU and will remain so over the whole generation, and yet the PS4 is 50% more powerful, now that must be seen as a serious engineering failure.

I'm so pissed off. How can they fail so bad?

I want xbone to be able to give PS4 a match, a good fight. Not become laughing stock.

It's that eSram. I have no idea which engineer thought it would be a good idea, but he should have been fired.  They should have stuck with tried and true eDram.  It wouldn't have been as fast, but it would solve a lot of issues.



darkknightkryta said:
Slimebeast said:
This is hilarious.

If it's true like Ethomaz said, that the Xbone APU is more expensive than the PS4 APU and will remain so over the whole generation, and yet the PS4 is 50% more powerful, now that must be seen as a serious engineering failure.

I'm so pissed off. How can they fail so bad?

I want xbone to be able to give PS4 a match, a good fight. Not become laughing stock.

It's that eSram. I have no idea which engineer thought it would be a good idea, but he should have been fired.  They should have stuck with tried and true eDram.  It wouldn't have been as fast, but it would solve a lot of issues.


Add to that the price difference of GDDR5 / DDR3 RAM and probably you'll get some kind of ballance.



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