Not that I am saying the XBO won't sell well(at least in US and UK) but why does everyone keep assuming the PS4 can't overpower XBO in sales simply because 360 was so successful. PS2 was the MOST successful console in existance and that only went so far with PS3. Every Xbox has ended up at the back of the line by generation's end. Given they did a lot better with 360, every new gen turns into an almost clean slate.

Unless they are cheaper than PS4, they will most likely not have a US lead imo. The price disparity will not be so huge between them, basically forcing someone to get one over the other if they couldn't afford the other. Less we forget, it took huge price point, late start, slow trickle of games early on, and dev hell to even dent the PS3's selling power enough for MS to get that lead. It wasn't purely off of their "outstanding product" for sure.

Sony Fans PS3 launch levels of arrogance there.

There is no "want" here. Its having tech issues that might lead to RROD issues all over again. Can MS afford to have this happen a second time?Will they chance it? I don't think even their money can bury that level issue if it does so rise again. When other companies have such issues, the scramble to work it out as quickly as possible but inevitably turns into a delay. This issue was stated months ago, but supposedly it was just brought back up as early as last week(according to GAF). It hasn't been rectified. All the footage of MS's conference was also faked due to them not having this issue under raps just yet.

Who cares about leads? It's about games and there will be a strong 3rd-party-line-up for both and a strong 1st-party-line-up for both. So who cares who leads? Were your ps3-games worse when Wii was wipint its ass with 360 and ps3? Of course not.

And to "less we forget": This is not a conclusion, it is an assumption. And no, of course people sold 360 because it was mediocre, right? Actually every 360-gamer wanted to buy ps3 but $ony pushed them to buy the 360, right? Mymymy....

How do you know it has tech issues? Are you a game developer? Are you a hardware engeneer? Are those guys at NeoGaf any of these?

What I can see is a bunch of technobable and hatefull thinking from Sony fanboyism. There is nothing we can say about both consoles, right now. 

Why thinking everething is OK with PS4 if we hanven´t heard a thing from Sony in the last 5 monhts? 

 So, do you belive a companie would anounce, and show, a product that is not read to release?

I made this comment because the Thread is actually about XBO dev issues, some are talking of a possible delay, some then are saying it doesn't matter because XBO will sell tons regardless and trounce PS4 in US/UK markets. I was simply questioning that possibility.

And how is what I went on to say an assummation when all those things about PS4's early struggle is true?Are you trying to say that the many PS3 failings did not add to the 360's success rate?

You are going into defensive mode for no reason really.

i am saying that we can't say how the situation would be now if sony hadn't struggeled in the beginning. i'd say it did add but noone knows how much while several people say this is the *only* reason why 360 has sales like they have now.

Wait wait wait....do you even know what this thread is about?! 

The Thread title reads:"XBONE having problems with eSRAM yield.Crazy Buttocks confirms"

Sounds like a Tech problem to me....how about you?

NeoGaf has a hefty portion of users comprised of developers and people generally in the know. Many things are usually revealed there first, only later hitting the broad internet. This "rumor" of technical issues came up again in a thread on GAF. Many were shooting it down before several known insiders came out and told them it was true. SEVERAL. 

Its no one's fault that most of the press has been bad for MS of late. This is simply the way most are percieving their workings of late. No one is "assuming" everything is alright with PS4, but not much that can be seen as negative has escaped. Maybe the other shoe will drop eventually but until that time it is all gravy on Sony's side.

Where is the fanboyism/bias in that?

2 weeks. Wouldn't be able to play my games for 2 full weeks. I've had a few friends go for months because of some sucky circumstances at home. Shit happens. 

No. I'd be pissed if I paid for the game and couldn't use it, though. Batman:AC GOTY is pissing me off right now for the same reason on steam.

I don't watch tv. Everything I watch is via the internet, these days. You know what I can do when the internet is down on other platforms? Play my damn games. I could watch tv, but the issue here is that things are becoming less convenient and more restrictive going from 360 to XBone. I thought improving technology is supposed to lead to more convenience. 

I've read something from someone and they make a really good point. This is bad for Xbox One fans that are getting the console, but this is also bad for PS4 fans.

With the PS3, developers developed for the easier 360 and ported over to the PS3, with some having poor ports. The thing with that though is that the PS3 and 360 were on equal footing. Both were just as powerful.

If Microsoft doesn't fix this issue, then the Xbox One will be half as powerful as the PS4. Third party developers won't be able to use the power of the PS4 and then port the same game over to the Xbox One without a major downgrade. Instead. Third party developers may instead develop the game for the Xbox One, and then port it over to the PS4. With the PS360 and Wii, they had no issues developing two different games, but do you think they're really going to develop three different games because such a difference in power?

The PS4 will still be more powerful, but hopefully Microsoft can fix this so they don't have to cut the clock speed and the PS4 as twice as powerful.

Even though we can gloat about having a much more powerful console, it only hurts us Sony fans and it's not like the exclusives we get can get anymore powerful. As the Xbox One would decrease, not Sony increase. So our exclusives will still look great. Our multiplatform games will suck.