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walsufnir on 30 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

What are you talking about? It's about the technique of Kinect which is of course superior to Kinect. I don't care about $onys Move - it's about comparing 2d against 3d. If you don't understand the differences between $onys eyetoy and Kinect it is because of your lack of knowledge or understand technique, not that there isn't a difference. You are talking about something different nobody cares about.


Fine....let Microsoft do what the move does and prove their almighty 3D prowess (Zero add ons) without following Sonys lead. LOL

::Grabs popcorn::

Let the kinect for the core commence.


I really, really can't understand your attitude and possibly never will but fine. Let $ony make you believe anything they say so you can reproduce it in every thread imaginable.



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walsufnir on 30 May 2013
KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.


Thing is, this TV is the premium line of Samsung TVs which are quite expensive in contrast to the common TVs they sell. The price difference is easily a Xbox One which has more functions and a good, working motion-control-solution. The Samsung-solution is not on par with MS' solution.



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 May 2013
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

What are you talking about? It's about the technique of Kinect which is of course superior to Kinect. I don't care about $onys Move - it's about comparing 2d against 3d. If you don't understand the differences between $onys eyetoy and Kinect it is because of your lack of knowledge or understand technique, not that there isn't a difference. You are talking about something different nobody cares about.


Fine....let Microsoft do what the move does and prove their almighty 3D prowess (Zero add ons) without following Sonys lead. LOL

::Grabs popcorn::

Let the kinect for the core commence.


I really, really can't understand your attitude and possibly never will but fine. Let $ony make you believe anything they say so you can reproduce it in every thread imaginable.


You're talking about my lack of knowledge when i understand just fine. The PS Eye...which is the obvious evolution of the Eyetoy already has 3D recognition...so this is really saying nothing. The Kinects camera is more powerful, but cannot do the things the Move and PS Eye do combined. As I said....MS lied about the possibilties of the Kinect for the core, which is why Ryse is now a full on Xbox game (which is where it should've been in the first place). 

Sony makes develops tech, MS makes OS....I think I would be inclined to listen to both where they shine while explaining the ins and outs of their hardware/software. MS is going to have 3 systems in the system with full cloud support backing up what they lack. Now tell me if MS wasnt a boss with OS they wouldn't have known have been ahead of the curve there.



Multimedialover on 30 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Multimedialover said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Multimedialover said:


Was talking to a guy when Kinect first came out. He had used an Eyetoy through a PC to try and do certain  things in programs. He LOL'd at people claiming it was like Kinect. It clearly isnt even the same. A running game for example just looked at he tips of your arms when it was up or down to make th character run.

Whre with Kinect its possible to mimic your own runnin style. One is loking at you and your movements the other makes you believe thats what it its doing.

 

 

Whoever told you the Eyetoy only tracked the head and shoulders was a moron. It reads from head to feet, you just needed to stand away while it scanned your body. All this six years before the Kinect. Around this time Sony had already turned down Primesense who eventually moved onto MS and gave them their tech to make the Kinect. Sony made their own inhouse tech and came to the conclusion that Standard Eyetoy/Kinect-like games were only good for "mini-game" like experience and lacked depth no matter how well it scans your body and recognizes your movement. Same experience more powerful and recognition tech in the camera a generation later. More powerful tech is to be expected a gen later and theres still very little thats different. 

The only thing Sony was impressed about with the Kinect was its sales, not its tech. They know its not going any further than it already has because they've been there done that and figured out how to work camera games. Problem is just like the Vita, the tech is there and its awesome but the games leave one wanting.

PS Eyetoy the forgotten Kinect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoJ1ZNYODUg

PS2 Eyetoy Kinetic-sidewinder game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWI06DrU2R0

I didnt say that.

Its simpler this way.

Eyetoy reads a 2d mirror image of you.

Kinect reads an entire 3d image of your room and you.


As I said...I would expect as much a generation later. Still not much of a difference...and did the Kinect 2 not build off of the same things the Kinect did? Exactly, its called a natural progression. You cannot control 3D space, so that renders it pointless aside from doing the same exact thing the Eyetoy did more accurately. As I said before to someone else the Move solved the problem of controling a 3D world and controling core games that MS will never be able to control until they follow suit....again. I am glad MS came to grips with the fact that Kinect is only good for adding things and not giving a full gaming experience because that whole Kinect for the core campaign was a lie from the start and they knew it.


Kinect is young. Like the Nes was once. Its a new concept, an now its packaged wth every Xbox, devs have a reason to actively sek new ways to gam. Insteadof trying to adat current genres into Kinect. Thats the difference. DEvs will now know ever owner has Kinect 2.0. SO R&D into new genres is feesable.

Its about thinking ouside of what we already have n games. Not adapting curent games to Kinect.



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 May 2013
Multimedialover said:


Kinect is young. Like the Nes was once. Its a new concept, an now its packaged wth every Xbox, devs have a reason to actively sek new ways to gam. Insteadof trying to adat current genres into Kinect. Thats the difference. DEvs will now know ever owner has Kinect 2.0. SO R&D into new genres is feesable.

Its about thinking ouside of what we already have n games. Not adapting curent games to Kinect.


I hope you're right. Every video from people who have used the product says Kinect 2 does the same things just more accurately. The camera is getting more powerful but again...unless it can control depth it stands where it is. I am a Dance Central fan so thats as much excitement as I get from Kinect. 



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walsufnir on 30 May 2013
Multimedialover said:


Kinect is young. Like the Nes was once. Its a new concept, an now its packaged wth every Xbox, devs have a reason to actively sek new ways to gam. Insteadof trying to adat current genres into Kinect. Thats the difference. DEvs will now know ever owner has Kinect 2.0. SO R&D into new genres is feesable.

Its about thinking ouside of what we already have n games. Not adapting curent games to Kinect.

 

I think one advantage MS also has is that science and research liked Kinect like nothing else before. At my University the robotics-departmend bought Kinect when it came out massively because it was the first time that such a capable camera was released at this price.

And look what they already did: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=kinect&submit=Search&sort=rlv&t=doc

394 scientific papers/docs about Kinect.



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 May 2013
KylieDog said:
walsufnir said:
KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.


Thing is, this TV is the premium line of Samsung TVs which are quite expensive in contrast to the common TVs they sell. The price difference is easily a Xbox One which has more functions and a good, working motion-control-solution. The Samsung-solution is not on par with MS' solution.


...and you really think people want an extra huge box sitting in their living room, when they going to need their cable box still.  They will pay for the real all in ONE device.

Exactly, which was my point about the Samsung TV. If Smart TV's already have Netflix and Hulu and now they can do what Kinect does with moving the screen and speaking to the TV, the job is majorly done. Marcus Beer already debunked that Xbone is not an all in one device. 



Multimedialover on 30 May 2013
KylieDog said:
walsufnir said:
KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.


Thing is, this TV is the premium line of Samsung TVs which are quite expensive in contrast to the common TVs they sell. The price difference is easily a Xbox One which has more functions and a good, working motion-control-solution. The Samsung-solution is not on par with MS' solution.


...and you really think people want an extra huge box sitting in their living room, when they going to need their cable box still.  They will pay for the real all in ONE device.


I work for Sky in the UK. Sky are currntly creating an app for Xbox One using th SkyGo service ( which soon will have everything ) so you will be abel to gt HD Sky viia the app on XboxOne which completely negats the need for a Sky box. 360 already has this. But on Xbox One its being designed to wok as you saw it in the live reveal. Instant switching, Xbox One Tvguide etc. And Snap n out. 

You ill not need to have the set top box if you don want to. 

My guess isMicrosoft have included the set top box function on Xbox One to cater for everyone. 

See 360 in the UK to see a gimpse of wat is to come.

If yo want o Xbox One is all yo will need.

Virgin SKys competitor is also making an Xbox One app fo the sam reason. 

Your TV will come down your Broadband as it does with the current Xbox 360.



J_Allard on 30 May 2013
KylieDog said:
walsufnir said:
KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.


Thing is, this TV is the premium line of Samsung TVs which are quite expensive in contrast to the common TVs they sell. The price difference is easily a Xbox One which has more functions and a good, working motion-control-solution. The Samsung-solution is not on par with MS' solution.


...and you really think people want an extra huge box sitting in their living room, when they going to need their cable box still.  They will pay for the real all in ONE device.

If they are into video games, yes. Unless they love Angry Birds and whatever other shitty mobile games the TV supports, if any.


Also, can we just have one thread involving Kinect where S.T.A.G.E. doesn't rush in to remind us that Sony came out with the Eyetoy first?



MoHasanie on 30 May 2013

Samsung and LG are making some pretty impressive TV's with a lot of Xbox One's features like TV camera's for Skype, many apps, but their TV's can't do as many things as the Xbox 1.



    

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