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Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:

He needs to get defenders at Porto. Most defenders in EPL suck like a black hole. There's bunch of exceptions but the teams defend poorly for my taste.

Chelsea was just a lit up cocktail Molotov. Players got rid of him. He proved at Porto that he is very good.

Up until AvB came there, Chelsea still had Mourinho's defensive structure and had been defensively sound. He did well at Porto, wow, how tough

What did Chelsea win since Mourinho left until AVB got there? 1 championship after investing 100 million pounds. They had the most boring soccer style ever. Italian defensive attitude with English vertical offensive approach, with no result. 

To win at FC Porto is more stressful than at a club with no winning culture like Chelsea. 2 Champions League, 2 Europe Super Cup, 2 Europa League, 2 World Club Champion, tey have the most CL appearence together with Man U. Chelsea is a oil funded burgoisie with no sporting spirit, a kid.

Premier League and FA Cup (or maybe 2)

What did they win with AvB? He got fired with as 3-1 down against Porto

Also, let's not forget than under Ancelloti, they scored the record number of goals in a season (and got the best goal difference). Let's also not forget that Jose won the Champions League with Porto

You are genuinely crazy if you think AvB is a better manager than Mourinho.

When did I say anything that hinted that?


The last paragraph and the first paragraph...

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dobby985 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:

Tottenham came 4th last year. This is Bale's best season, that's it.

Also, AvB's style of defending is fundamentally flawed. He is too stubborn to choose a system that fits the players, last year his need to play a high line really cost Chelsea

He needs to get defenders at Porto. Most defenders in EPL suck like a black hole. There's bunch of exceptions but the teams defend poorly for my taste.

Chelsea was just a lit up cocktail Molotov. Players got rid of him. He proved at Porto that he is very good.

Up until AvB came there, Chelsea still had Mourinho's defensive structure and had been defensively sound. He did well at Porto, wow, how tough

What did Chelsea win since Mourinho left until AVB got there? 1 championship after investing 100 million pounds. They had the most boring soccer style ever. Italian defensive attitude with English vertical offensive approach, with no result. 

To win at FC Porto is more stressful than at a club with no winning culture like Chelsea. 2 Champions League, 2 Europe Super Cup, 2 Europa League, 2 World Club Champion, tey have the most CL appearence together with Man U. Chelsea is a oil funded burgoisie with no sporting spirit, a kid.

These competitions have about as much credibility as the invitational pre-season tournaments that are playing in America or the Community Shield.

Andre Villas Boas left Porto for Chelsea because it's a bigger club and he couldnt say no. No amount of bragging about your so-called achievements will change that.

Andre couldn't say no to petrodollars not because Chelsea has a wining culture. Chelsea has not even a 1/5th of the trophies won by FCP.

Chelsea is a team that if left by Abramovich will return to its modest obscurity like it was before got injected with Russians money.



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SxyxS said:
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Munkeh111 said:
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Munkeh111 said:
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I disagree with your reasoning. All because Pellegrino never had the support that Mourinho has been getting for the last 3 years. Pellegrino's Madrid never had € 300 millions to spend on players that he barely uses. But still his team used to play "a la Madrid" style, offensive,attractive and effective. And Pellegrini lost the championship  to Barca not by much unlike Mourinho. And Barca at the time were well rounded team with no deficiencies like the past 2 seasons.

Mourinho is a type of mercenary to get the job done. Don't ask him to play an attractive soccer or develop young talents. It's been like that since his Benfica days.

He is a good psychologist but not a player developer.

Do you know if Mourinho is in charge of transfers? I would suggest he isn't as that is becoming less and less common these days, but he still made a huge amount of progress

He very definitely does develop players, there is a reason that so many players are so loyal to him, he just makes them into better players, see Frank Lampard. 

Frank was already an established player when Mourinho got there. He makes them better with his tatics but not technically. They love him because he his loyal to them but there were also cases where they said bad things about him. Like Makelele for example.

Edit: He is in charge of transfers, no players are bought wihtout his consent.

He was a decent player, but not a world beater, Jose told him he was the best midfielder in the world and he responded. There is no doubt that without Jose Lampard would not still be going with Chelsea and would not have got 203 goals. 

Says who? He will get a say, but I doubt it will be the final say

As a Chelsea fan you should know that Mourinho doesn't take kindly presidents and owners interfering with his teams. Look at Shevchenko case. Got a favor from Abramovich and Mourinho was not happy for the remainder of time in Chelsea and this was one of the reason he probably left/got fired.

DieAppleDie:

Mourinho is overrated
Hes just an ok trainer and hes all talk, there lies his strength.
Sure i only say that cause im a Barsa supporter. XD

 

Well he is better than Guardiola and Tito defensively. Tactically I don't think anybody can match him.

He reads the matches like no one else. I hope AVB gets to his level just to shut him up because AVB is all about the beauty of the game and he is about winning.

tactically klopp matched him 4 times with dortmund.

having a cheap team and destroying barcas defense,being better in the offense can't be done only by coincidence or passion-this is a matter of tactics.

Beating Barca's defense is not as hard as you may think. Barca's defense is horrible for a top team. German teams are all about balance and tacticall discipline.

Either I missunderstood the previous comment(what's posdible because of my bad english) or you missunderstood mine.

I was talking about mourinho/madrid as tactically best.Dortmund never played against barca in the past years but 4times against madrid.they were 3 times better,1x equal.

talking about barcas defense:you are 100% right .Barcas defenseis awfull.Even a weak team can shoot a goal against them without any problems as one chance is almost always enough to score against them.Even glasgow.

the defense is weak and the keeper is the weakest i've ever seen in a top club.I guess he is only playing because he is catalonian.With a good defense and good keeper they'd have wone 3-4 titles more in the past years.

Another problem:they are physically inferior.Every corner is a huge threat for them.The fact they aren't dominant anymore is that other teams improved technically and that they are 10-15cm bigger and 10kg  heavier than barca players.4small players in a team are enough:barca has 6.And the center defense is a joke with mascherano,the new guy is too weak and puyol always injured.

they also need a guy like garreth bale for the offense as messi is the only one who can shoot goals outside the box(the others shoot like girls and alves lost his talent with distance shot.As soon as messi has the ball he is surrounded by 4 defenders.If you are surrounded by 4 defenders there is always room for another barca player for a distance shot-but barca players almost never shoot and other teams know this fact.

With a good distance shooter like bale you can shoot 10+ goals out of the distance.They once tried it with a big offense player,but ibrahimovic is a stupid egoist(does not fit with barca mentality)and he is lame.You need a fast big ,explosiv player with good techniques.Someone like van persie or at least someone like rooney or tevez.They aren't huge but they have a very strong body and good shot,not like alexis or pedro.



Barsa players are made to have the ball, when they dont they suffer
Still the fact that barsa has dominated world soccer for the last 5years proves your theory wrong

BY THE WAY

Victor valdes is better than 99% of the goalkeepers in Germany France and Uk



SxyxS said:
Goatseye said:
SxyxS said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:

I disagree with your reasoning. All because Pellegrino never had the support that Mourinho has been getting for the last 3 years. Pellegrino's Madrid never had € 300 millions to spend on players that he barely uses. But still his team used to play "a la Madrid" style, offensive,attractive and effective. And Pellegrini lost the championship  to Barca not by much unlike Mourinho. And Barca at the time were well rounded team with no deficiencies like the past 2 seasons.

Mourinho is a type of mercenary to get the job done. Don't ask him to play an attractive soccer or develop young talents. It's been like that since his Benfica days.

He is a good psychologist but not a player developer.

Do you know if Mourinho is in charge of transfers? I would suggest he isn't as that is becoming less and less common these days, but he still made a huge amount of progress

He very definitely does develop players, there is a reason that so many players are so loyal to him, he just makes them into better players, see Frank Lampard. 

Frank was already an established player when Mourinho got there. He makes them better with his tatics but not technically. They love him because he his loyal to them but there were also cases where they said bad things about him. Like Makelele for example.

Edit: He is in charge of transfers, no players are bought wihtout his consent.

He was a decent player, but not a world beater, Jose told him he was the best midfielder in the world and he responded. There is no doubt that without Jose Lampard would not still be going with Chelsea and would not have got 203 goals. 

Says who? He will get a say, but I doubt it will be the final say

As a Chelsea fan you should know that Mourinho doesn't take kindly presidents and owners interfering with his teams. Look at Shevchenko case. Got a favor from Abramovich and Mourinho was not happy for the remainder of time in Chelsea and this was one of the reason he probably left/got fired.

DieAppleDie:

Mourinho is overrated
Hes just an ok trainer and hes all talk, there lies his strength.
Sure i only say that cause im a Barsa supporter. XD

 

Well he is better than Guardiola and Tito defensively. Tactically I don't think anybody can match him.

He reads the matches like no one else. I hope AVB gets to his level just to shut him up because AVB is all about the beauty of the game and he is about winning.

tactically klopp matched him 4 times with dortmund.

having a cheap team and destroying barcas defense,being better in the offense can't be done only by coincidence or passion-this is a matter of tactics.

Beating Barca's defense is not as hard as you may think. Barca's defense is horrible for a top team. German teams are all about balance and tacticall discipline.

Either I missunderstood the previous comment(what's posdible because of my bad english) or you missunderstood mine.

I was talking about mourinho/madrid as tactically best.Dortmund never played against barca in the past years but 4times against madrid.they were 3 times better,1x equal.

talking about barcas defense:you are 100% right .Barcas defenseis awfull.Even a weak team can shoot a goal against them without any problems as one chance is almost always enough to score against them.Even glasgow.

the defense is weak and the keeper is the weakest i've ever seen in a top club.I guess he is only playing because he is catalonian.With a good defense and good keeper they'd have wone 3-4 titles more in the past years.

Another problem:they are physically inferior.Every corner is a huge threat for them.The fact they aren't dominant anymore is that other teams improved technically and that they are 10-15cm bigger and 10kg  heavier than barca players.4small players in a team are enough:barca has 6.And the center defense is a joke with mascherano,the new guy is too weak and puyol always injured.

they also need a guy like garreth bale for the offense as messi is the only one who can shoot goals outside the box(the others shoot like girls and alves lost his talent with distance shot.As soon as messi has the ball he is surrounded by 4 defenders.If you are surrounded by 4 defenders there is always room for another barca player for a distance shot-but barca players almost never shoot and other teams know this fact.

With a good distance shooter like bale you can shoot 10+ goals out of the distance.They once tried it with a big offense player,but ibrahimovic is a stupid egoist(does not fit with barca mentality)and he is lame.You need a fast big ,explosiv player with good techniques.Someone like van persie or at least someone like rooney or tevez.They aren't huge but they have a very strong body and good shot,not like alexis or pedro.

Barca became very limited in the last year of Pep Guardiola. His purchases were horrible to say the least and there was no variety in terms of player styles.

A lot of teams started to play phisically with them and they had no response to counter that. Pep never acquired anybody with aerial power to help Barca against teams strong in the air.



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Madrid doesn't want him? besides Barcelona, every club in the world would be extremely happy to have him... he will not lose his sleep over this. Next year we will see a coach do a worse job at leading RM and that is a certain.



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sergiodaly said:

Madrid doesn't want him? besides Barcelona, every club in the world would be extremely happy to have him... he will not lose his sleep over this. Next year we will see a coach do a worse job at leading RM and that is a certain.

Pellegrini and Juand Ramos did a way better job than he did this season. Mourinho since he began training real he had close to half billion euros to win at least one CL. All he did was a championship and a taca del rey.

Miserable for an arrogant scum that calls himself special. Jersey ripper and limelight whore.



sergiodaly said:

Madrid doesn't want him? besides Barcelona, every club in the world would be extremely happy to have him... he will not lose his sleep over this. Next year we will see a coach do a worse job at leading RM and that is a certain.

Not every club. Clubs like Man Utd that like to have a steady long term boss and not a mercenary would not want him. At least not right now. Not sure about the big German clubs wanting him either but I am only going by rumours.

Mourinho comes across as a manager with no loyalty. After Porto it's just been big paydays from one club to the next. To be fair at Chelsea he was sacked or maybe he would have stayed around longer.

In many ways that is just the way the game has evolved. That's not his fault.

However he does bring something different to the game in terms of his attitude. You either hate him or like him.

If he returns to Chelsea after the way he was treated by Roman would seriously lower my esteem regarding him. I think the best place for him would be at Man City. He said he likes England and the owners at City seem quite ruthless, like Roman.

I would put money on Real Madrid winning la liga next year and even the CL now he has gone. Something just seemed wrong with the relationship he had with Real.

I would still put Mourinho in my top five current managers along with ( in no particular order ): Klopp, Pep, Del Bosque and Bielsa.



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Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:
Goatseye said:
Munkeh111 said:

Up until AvB came there, Chelsea still had Mourinho's defensive structure and had been defensively sound. He did well at Porto, wow, how tough

What did Chelsea win since Mourinho left until AVB got there? 1 championship after investing 100 million pounds. They had the most boring soccer style ever. Italian defensive attitude with English vertical offensive approach, with no result. 

To win at FC Porto is more stressful than at a club with no winning culture like Chelsea. 2 Champions League, 2 Europe Super Cup, 2 Europa League, 2 World Club Champion, tey have the most CL appearence together with Man U. Chelsea is a oil funded burgoisie with no sporting spirit, a kid.

Premier League and FA Cup (or maybe 2)

What did they win with AvB? He got fired with as 3-1 down against Porto

Also, let's not forget than under Ancelloti, they scored the record number of goals in a season (and got the best goal difference). Let's also not forget that Jose won the Champions League with Porto

You are genuinely crazy if you think AvB is a better manager than Mourinho.

When did I say anything that hinted that?


The last paragraph and the first paragraph...

???

Basically, looking through what you said, you haven't really made any point. I suppose I guessed what you were trying to say was that AvB was better than Jose, because I can't think what else you are trying to say