Kaizar said:
The DS came out 7 years earlier. And it had Pokémon 4th gen much earlier in its life spam. Pokémon 7th Gen won't come out until around the 31st month. And they are lowering the price of 3D movies to have an excuse to increase the price of 2D movie tickets. Plus more & more people keep getting 3D TVs and Vudu and other streaming services keep adding 3D streaming library of 3D movies which gives theaters all the more reason to even the price between 3D & 2D movies while finally being able to increase the price of 2D movies further, without good enough outrage from the public. And even though they are still buying more 2D TVs then 3D TVs, you forget that 2D TVs sales have plummet while 3D TVs sales keep going up & up, so clearly 2D TVs are going the way of the dinosaurs, but a slow painful death version. And 3rd parties are not making games for the Wii because of the Wii U shown at E3 2011 which has been out since 2012. Batman had continue to show that it can make a profit with less quality and at if someone can make a high quality batman movie, that that would ensure a profit no matter what. Spider-man was bigger with 3 then any of the previous 2, and there was no need for a reboot nor make anymore installments when they left the movie with such a big way to finish with Spider-Man 3. About the Mario bros. movie 2, they have been filming in Georgia, and there was a casting call even earlier during previous year. A lot of movies get filmed in Georgia and this just happens to be one of many movies filmed in Georgia. And you clearly miss my point about RE6 & FF13 vs. KH3D & RE:R. And Nintendo said that the 3DS sold more in its first 12 months then GameBoy Advance, so I'll take what they say over what you say anytimU aree. |
U are so blind by ur love for 3D that u cant even accept facts when there givin to u. I understand wanting to defend things u enjoy, everybody does Iit, but stop throwing out false claims and acting like ur opinions are fact. Also when somebody proves u wrong just accept it, uve given urself a bad name by alot of people on here by ur constant need to bring up 3D in virtually all ur posts and ur warped sense of reality.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
zorg1000 said:
U are so blind by ur love for 3D that u cant even accept facts when there givin to u. I understand wanting to defend things u enjoy, everybody does Iit, but stop throwing out false claims and acting like ur opinions are fact. Also when somebody proves u wrong just accept it, uve given urself a bad name by alot of people on here by ur constant need to bring up 3D in virtually all ur posts and ur warped sense of reality. |
Then why did G.i. Joe retaliation makes so much money during the same year as Olympus has Fallen & independence day & White House down.
How did Jack the giant slayer make at least 215 million dollars which makes no sense but it happened.
He keeps mentioning that 3D TvS are HD, but why would people buy a 3D tV for Hd if they can get a 2D Hd tv For a cheaper price or upgrade to a bigger screen and/or LED or plasma display.
He mentions that 2D TVs are the majority of tv sales, but this statement is just dodging the fact the 2D tVs are continue to drop while 3D TVs sales continue to rise.
And he dodge the Fantastic Four & Daredevil reboots.
And he doesn't give a good explanation on why sin city would be uncanceled.
Kaizar said:
Then why did G.i. Joe retaliation makes so much money during the same year as Olympus has Fallen & independence day & White House down. How did Jack the giant slayer make at least 215 million dollars which makes no sense but it happened. He keeps mentioning that 3D TvS are HD, but why would people buy a 3D tV for Hd if they can get a 2D Hd tv For a cheaper price or upgrade to a bigger screen and/or LED or plasma display. He mentions that 2D TVs are the majority of tv sales, but this statement is just dodging the fact the 2D tVs are continue to drop while 3D TVs sales continue to rise. And he dodge the Fantastic Four & Daredevil reboots. And he doesn't give a good explanation on why sin city would be uncanceled. |
The link u provided even stated that for people who buy 3D tvs , 3D Iisnt even the main selling point, they mentioned resolution, screen size and internet as bigger reasons. You jump to conclusions and generalize to much, maybe GI Joe and Jack the Giant Slayer made money because of 3D or maybe its because GI Joe is one of the most popular toy lines ever and Jack & the bean stalk is one of the most known fairy tales in the world. Daredevil and Fantastic Four revoots is probably because of the huge popularity of super hero movies and the last ones werent very good so reboot makes sense. Sin City tho does seem like a movie that would benefit 3D tho.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
zorg1000 said:
The link u provided even stated that for people who buy 3D tvs , 3D Iisnt even the main selling point, they mentioned resolution, screen size and internet as bigger reasons. You jump to conclusions and generalize to much, maybe GI Joe and Jack the Giant Slayer made money because of 3D or maybe its because GI Joe is one of the most popular toy lines ever and Jack & the bean stalk is one of the most known fairy tales in the world. Daredevil and Fantastic Four revoots is probably because of the huge popularity of super hero movies and the last ones werent very good so reboot makes sense. Sin City tho does seem like a movie that would benefit 3D tho. |
But smart 2D TVs have the same factors as resolution, screen size and Internet especially, so that still doesn't explain the sales of 3D TVs as its own subject being up. But this does explain what people see in smart TVs As its own subject is also up in sales.
About what I have said in sales, well I based it on these things:
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-3ds-has-sold-over-5000000-units-in-japan-in-under-one-year/
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-has-sold-4500000-units-in-the-united-states/
So sorry if people thought of a different generalization, but I didn't mention what kind of generalazation to begin with, but it does seem that Yakuzaice is just quick to attack 3D in anyway shape and form as fast as possible.
G.I. Joe hasn't been a popular toy line in a while, they can't even sale a new cartoon of it, and the toys popularity seems to have plummet considerably. I would say something about how the previous G.I. Joe movie sales went but I don't know what the sales of the first movie is.
Fantastic four doesn't have enough popularity for movies, at least not in this day & age. dareDevil was clearly seen as too risky and not worth a studios money & time after the first one failed to make a profit by a good margin.
Sin City & Great Gatsby are clealry movies that will benefit from 3D as the Great Gatsby in 3D has already shown to viewers of the original 3D format. My point about Sin City is that it is still risky as far as hollywood is concern but they are doing it anyways, which seems to suggest that they have data showing that they can have a 99% to 100% chance of a new installment in 3D making a definite profit while in theaters.
| Kaizar said:
The DS came out 7 years earlier. And it had Pokémon 4th gen much earlier in its life spam. Pokémon 7th Gen won't come out until around the 31st month. And they are lowering the price of 3D movies to have an excuse to increase the price of 2D movie tickets. Plus more & more people keep getting 3D TVs and Vudu and other streaming services keep adding 3D streaming library of 3D movies which gives theaters all the more reason to even the price between 3D & 2D movies while finally being able to increase the price of 2D movies further, without good enough outrage from the public. And even though they are still buying more 2D TVs then 3D TVs, you forget that 2D TVs sales have plummet while 3D TVs sales keep going up & up, so clearly 2D TVs are going the way of the dinosaurs, but a slow painful death version. And 3rd parties are not making games for the Wii because of the Wii U shown at E3 2011 which has been out since 2012. Batman had continue to show that it can make a profit with less quality and at if someone can make a high quality batman movie, that that would ensure a profit no matter what. Spider-man was bigger with 3 then any of the previous 2, and there was no need for a reboot nor make anymore installments when they left the movie with such a big way to finish with Spider-Man 3. About the Mario bros. movie 2, they have been filming in Georgia, and there was a casting call even earlier during previous year. A lot of movies get filmed in Georgia and this just happens to be one of many movies filmed in Georgia. And you clearly miss my point about RE6 & FF13 vs. KH3D & RE:R. And Nintendo said that the 3DS sold more in its first 12 months then GameBoy Advance, so I'll take what they say over what you say anytime. |
Why didn't you say the same thing regarding the PS2/HD consoles? For some reason it didn't matter that it came out much earlier there.
In the US Pokemon didn't come out until the 30th month, so it hasn't actually factored in yet for that chart of US handheld sales. 1 month is hardly much earlier.
Why would they care about raising 2D movie prices? The way you post, 3D movies are apparently going to dominate the market. So why would they sacrifice 3D revenue? Why would there be outrage about raising the price of a format that people supposedly don't care about? If 3D has so much value to the general public, why would they price it the same as 2D? Apparently they don't see added value in 3D. It would be like pricing a Tesla Model S the same as a Honda Civic the way you talk about 3D.
The fact of the matter is when a consumer goes to buy a TV they are more likely to walk out with a 2DTV than a 3D one. That doesn't gel with your 3D proselytizing.
Those third parties (and Nintendo really) had given up on the Wii before the Wii U came out. Though I don't see how that supports your argument that all the 3DS games would be on Vita/consoles if not for 3D.
Superman Returns grossed more Worldwide than Hulk 2003 and Batman and Robin (and Begins for that matter). Why would it be so much riskier than those? Why would they not make more installments of Spider-man? Hollywood milks the hell out of everything, and you are suggesting they would never make another Spider-man movie if not for 3D.
The only info I seemed to find for a SMB movie being filmed in Georgia was some random blog post from a year ago. They also said it would be releasing this summer.
Let's go back to your initial quote about FFXIII and RE6.
"The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations."
According to you the 3DS has all the third party support because of two games while the HD consoles only have RE6 and FFXIII. What exactly was your point?
Where exactly did Nintendo say that the 3DS outsold the GBA after 12 months? Because they'd be wrong. Or the more likely scenario is that you're making things up again. Or possibly taking data for a specific country or region and using them as a general fact. After less than 10 months in NA/EU, and about 12 months+10 days in Japan, the GBA was at 17.09 million shipped. After the same time period per region, the 3DS was at 16.23 million. Even adding an additional 3 months to the NA/EU 3DS numbers only brings it to 17.13 million. So unless you think the GBA did less than 40k in NA/EU back in Apr-June 2002, then it wasn't ahead of the GBA. (the GBA shipped 4.71 million outside of Japan from Apr-Sept 2002) Even if it were true, how does "3DS outsells GBA after 12 months" turn into "3DS outsells GBA and DS after 1, 3, 6, 12, 18, 24, etc months"?
| Kaizar said:
About what I have said in sales, well I based it on these things:
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-3ds-has-sold-over-5000000-units-in-japan-in-under-one-year/ http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-has-sold-4500000-units-in-the-united-states/ So sorry if people thought of a different generalization, but I didn't mention what kind of generalazation to begin with, but it does seem that Yakuzaice is just quick to attack 3D in anyway shape and form as fast as possible. |
So you used Japanese data that shows the 3DS behind the GBA and DS at 1, 3, and 6 months to say that the 3DS is ahead of the GBA and DS at 1 month, 3, 6, 12, 18, 24, and so on in a thread about North America. Your first link makes no mention of the DS or GBA, and is shipments. Your last link made no mention of the GBA.
Makes sense...
I'm quick to attack you because you post so much nonsense. It's not my fault that it seems every post you make seems to be from a 3D not so viral marketer. I've barely discussed 3D outside of your posts.
Yakuzaice said:
To cut to the quick, you are using VGC numbers which are wrong. I am using NPD numbers. The 3DS is not growing in the US for 2013 so far. This can't be argued. What evidence do you have that the market is growing? Certainly not Wii U sales. There is just no rationale for saying that the Wii U will be one of if not the best selling Nintendo console in NA when it is trailing their worst selling console after half a year. Also the Wii U won't hit 4 million for a rather long time. NSMBU is nothing? It was one of the best selling games on the Wii. Were you saying that before launch? Did you actually read what I said about the PS3? Its worst month was more than double the Wii U's and it won't come close to your prediction for Wii U lifetime sales. |
What did NDP say for April? May numbers aren't up.
Maybe I am wrong, I am using VGC numbers and I give VGC too much credit.
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Wii U's market will grow. There was a small flare with Lego City and Monster Hunter, I think Pikmin 3 and the mega hitters like Mario Kart 8 will stabilize Wii U at a higher point.
I agree though, there is no "evidence" that the Wii U will be hyper successful. It's just too early to call, I mean 360 did a lot better then most people predicted because of Kinect.
NSMB for Wii was heavily bundled with the Red Wii. I bought a Red Wii, and I sold NSMB just so I can have a Red Wii. It's not a system pusher, especially when the level designs look so damn similar between NSMB Wii and NSMB U.
Also yes, I read what you said about PS3, but Nintendo isn't Sony, and it's too early to judge Wii U a failure. Like I said above 360 recovered and managed to hold 2nd for almost the whole gen. I'm expecting the Wii U to rebound like the 360, but more extreme, where you're expecting the Wii U to plummet, like the.... actually I can't think of a single console to open up to millions of sales in months, and not do very well.
Wii U already is setting it's own trend. If it fails, it will be the only console to sell 2.5 million units almost instantly, and then crash. I recall consoles like the Dreamcast and Saturn never exploded at launch like Wii U did, but sold consistantly sub-par. If it succeeds, it will have the worst start for a popular console, by far.
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Let's just agree it's far, far too early to judge Wii U. 3DS is fully debatable though.
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| Michael-5 said:
What did NDP say for April? May numbers aren't up. Maybe I am wrong, I am using VGC numbers and I give VGC too much credit. --- Wii U's market will grow. There was a small flare with Lego City and Monster Hunter, I think Pikmin 3 and the mega hitters like Mario Kart 8 will stabilize Wii U at a higher point. I agree though, there is no "evidence" that the Wii U will be hyper successful. It's just too early to call, I mean 360 did a lot better then most people predicted because of Kinect. NSMB for Wii was heavily bundled with the Red Wii. I bought a Red Wii, and I sold NSMB just so I can have a Red Wii. It's not a system pusher, especially when the level designs look so damn similar between NSMB Wii and NSMB U. Also yes, I read what you said about PS3, but Nintendo isn't Sony, and it's too early to judge Wii U a failure. Like I said above 360 recovered and managed to hold 2nd for almost the whole gen. I'm expecting the Wii U to rebound like the 360, but more extreme, where you're expecting the Wii U to plummet, like the.... actually I can't think of a single console to open up to millions of sales in months, and not do very well. Wii U already is setting it's own trend. If it fails, it will be the only console to sell 2.5 million units almost instantly, and then crash. I recall consoles like the Dreamcast and Saturn never exploded at launch like Wii U did, but sold consistantly sub-par. If it succeeds, it will have the worst start for a popular console, by far. --- Let's just agree it's far, far too early to judge Wii U. 3DS is fully debatable though. |
I don't think we've gotten the exact number yet for the 3DS, but we know it is less than 130k and greater than 100k. So best case scenario it's up 4k YoY, worst case it is down 24k for the month of April. Either way it is down for 2013 so far.
That small flare that they created was still some of the worst sales for a console ever, and sales were worse than ever just a few weeks later in April. You said the whole market was growing, not just that the Wii U market would grow with new releases. There is just no indication at the moment that the overall market in NA will grow or that the Wii U will somehow outperform the Wii due to this growth.
Even if half of NSMB's sales were from bundles it was still a massive seller and drove hardware sales in 2009.
The 360's rough launch was more due to supply than a lack of consumer demand. It did 295k in the US in April 2006. The Wii U did ~37k in its first April. They are hardly following the same path.
The Gamecube is outpacing the Wii U in both Japan and the US at this point in their lives. The Dreamcast actually had a rather good launch in the US, 500k in two weeks. It probably doesn't quite match the Wii U's performance in the first two months, but that is more a factor of launching in September vs November. I'd imagine the four month totals are more generous to the Dreamcast.
I agree it is too early to judge conclusively, but saying the Wii U could outsell the Wii makes no sense with the data we currently have.
Yakuzaice said:
I don't think we've gotten the exact number yet for the 3DS, but we know it is less than 130k and greater than 100k. So best case scenario it's up 4k YoY, worst case it is down 24k for the month of April. Either way it is down for 2013 so far. That small flare that they created was still some of the worst sales for a console ever, and sales were worse than ever just a few weeks later in April. You said the whole market was growing, not just that the Wii U market would grow with new releases. There is just no indication at the moment that the overall market in NA will grow or that the Wii U will somehow outperform the Wii due to this growth. Even if half of NSMB's sales were from bundles it was still a massive seller and drove hardware sales in 2009. The 360's rough launch was more due to supply than a lack of consumer demand. It did 295k in the US in April 2006. The Wii U did ~37k in its first April. They are hardly following the same path. The Gamecube is outpacing the Wii U in both Japan and the US at this point in their lives. The Dreamcast actually had a rather good launch in the US, 500k in two weeks. It probably doesn't quite match the Wii U's performance in the first two months, but that is more a factor of launching in September vs November. I'd imagine the four month totals are more generous to the Dreamcast. I agree it is too early to judge conclusively, but saying the Wii U could outsell the Wii makes no sense with the data we currently have. |
3DS is down so far YoY, even VGC was tracking 3DS roughly do on par with itself from 2012 for April. So if VGC's May numbers are right, and 3DS is finally up YoY, I expect the system to grow overall this year. Maybe not 20 million annual sales like the DS, but maybe 17 million?
Like I said, early 2012's numbers are unnaturally high because of an $80 price cut. Fall 2012 numbers, even with the 3DS XL releasing, are pretty weak, so with Pokemon and Animal Crossing among other games, it should be easy for 3DS to be up YoY from now on.
There is also the possibility of a redesign, and who knows what a decent XL colour option will do for the 3DS in North America.
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Oh, if what I typed indicated the whole market is growing, that's my bad. I only think Wii U's and 3DS's markets are growing.
As for NSMB Wii and DS, they were great concepts, and the first new SMB games in a long time, but the Wii U version really does not look that unique. When you look at old SMB games they are all so drastically different. SMB2 had you play as Peach and Toad, and pull veggies out the ground, SMB 3 had a racoon suit, and a frog suit, plus an underwater world and very different scenery, and SMW introduced Yoshi, slopes, among other things. NSMB U was a rushed game Nintendo made for launch, there is nothing unique about this title. It's not up to the same quality as the first 2 NSMB games.
I see NSMB U as a system seller, not the way the game is. If it had unique suits, and unique levels (like a zero G space level or something) then that would be a different story.
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Wii U could go either way, I think sub-Gamecube is impossible. Dreamcast sold 500k at launch, and what 2 million so so annually for 4 years, and then fell apart? I think Wii U sales will pick up once Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Super Luigi U, Mario Kart 8, Wii Fit U, Mario & Sonic at the Winter Games, etc launch.
But you are right, especially with the data we currently have, saying Wii U will outsell Wii makes no sense. I don't think Wii U will outsell Wii, but I do think it will be their second most successful home console ever. I may be horribly wrong on this though, but I hope that I'm not.
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LOL, no, but seriously Nintendo has always launched a console with at least 1 killer app. Wii U launched with nothing, what do you expect, but poor initial sales? Wait for Mario Kart 8.
